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Post by thepinkpowerranger on Feb 24, 2009 13:57:18 GMT 12
I say this with all honesty, and due to some cough medication I am on:
Lovely people of this forum, I have come to the conclusion that NO Pokemon ships will ever come to be.
The only possible options are Pokeshipping or nothing. The writers may decide to wind up the series by sticking Ash with the first girl he was around. OR they'll decide to have a no ship ending at all.
Sorry if I've upset anyone...
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Post by razgriz89 on Feb 24, 2009 21:37:40 GMT 12
Don't think we don't know that. I have already analyzed the manga where it is going. The reason why we are only Advanceshippers because we think Ash and May are good together. Sure, I would be overjoyed if it would end like that however we're not pleading it to be as much as we can. But we reserve the right to think differently.
Unless some of us are pleading for an Advanceshipping ending here...
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Post by thepinkpowerranger on Feb 25, 2009 0:52:30 GMT 12
I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume MOST would be pleading for the ending which gratifies their shipping of preference.
Then there are some that want a no ship ending at all. There aren't many, but there are some. Like me. I have my reasons.
And sure, I went a bit over the top with the 'epiphany' and the bolded words, but really, at the end of the day, there will just be replacement girls for the current main girls and at some point, there won't be enough of anything left to establish any certain shipping.
Having said all that, I think that if you like something enough, then ship it anyway. Even if it's non-canon, can't or won't ever be canon, do have fun with it. One of the main reasons I act so over the top is that I know a lot people put so much store in their shippings of preference that they actually get rather upset when something seems to try and compete with them.
I would know.
So I guess my whole point is to just have fun with it, but don't expect the writers to truly care what we or any other set of shippers care to say about who Ash ends up with in the end.
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Post by razgriz89 on Feb 25, 2009 2:59:33 GMT 12
That's right. Let me reiterate that we, the fans, made these ships and we are also the reason for their continued existence. But after giving it some thought I start to wonder...
Isn't Ash's goal a little bit perpetual? You know, to become a Pokemon master? Does that mean he will always go on a journey WHICH may signify that the series won't come to an end?
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Post by Rishi on Feb 26, 2009 0:46:18 GMT 12
I say this with all honesty, and due to some cough medication I am on:
Lovely people of this forum, I have come to the conclusion that NO Pokemon ships will ever come to be.
The only possible options are Pokeshipping or nothing. The writers may decide to wind up the series by sticking Ash with the first girl he was around. OR they'll decide to have a no ship ending at all.
Sorry if I've upset anyone... Nah, pretty sure what you just said was a wiiiiiiiiide load of f**king TRUTH. I have my own reasons for preferring advanceshipping above all other ships ( currently, anyway), but I don't think it'll ever come to fruition (same goes for ALL the other goddamn ships). I wouldn't mind a very open-ended conclusion to the Pokemon anime series either, one in which no ships are revealed as to whether or not they actually came to fruition, but where we skip 100 years into the future or some crap like that and see a bunch of new 10 year old kids just about to start their very own pokemon journey. These kids can bear some striking resemblances to characters like Ash, May, Dawn etc. yet we're never really told if they're actually their great great great grandchildren or whatever. Or we could be informed about only one half of his/her lineage (for example... one of the kids could be the great great great great great etc. grandson of Ash, but we don't know who Ash ends up with). It'd kinda be like the very last episode of Dragonball GT (or something like that). Y'know, the one with Goku Jr and Vegeta Jr in it. If this is how the Pokemon anime ends, then sure, it'll be a stalemate for most (if not all) different types of shippers, but AT LEAST it'll prevent emo shippers who've supported failed ships from committing suicide. So... anyway... yeah. PEACE!!!!!
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Post by razgriz89 on Feb 26, 2009 2:28:43 GMT 12
I wouldn't mind an open-ended ending. It's fair for us ADVs and fair for all.
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Post by MagmarFire on Feb 26, 2009 15:48:02 GMT 12
Open-ended ending, definite ending, no ending--it doesn't matter to me if alternate universes can be substituted.
If you think about it more philosophically, the events in Pokemon AUs (or just about any AU, for that matter) can happen just as likely and appealingly, possibly even more so, than the canon universe. When it comes down to it, the canon universe is also an AU in and of itself from a different point of view; it's just that many people put the OU into higher regard than what any AU that any fan can come up with. They're all stories either way, and everyone should be happy or unhappy depending on his or her preference, not on how his or her universe "doesn't exist" or "is insignificant" because "the canon matters the most."
To put it in other words, if our ship doesn't become canon, who cares? Don't get me wrong; I want Advanceshipping to be acknowledged as canon as much as the next Advanceshipper, but hey, all because it's not true in one universe doesn't mean it's not true in another and that the latter is less valid than the former. If we don't like an Advanceshipping-less universe, should it possibly be the canon one, then let's switch our focus to another one, like PikamasterADV's or Matkin22's or any other revered author's AU--maybe even our own. They're all stories. A story should never be considered invalid or nonexistent or impossible all because it's "not how the original writers imagined it to be"; it should only be considered parallel.
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Post by Rishi on Feb 26, 2009 16:15:40 GMT 12
Open-ended ending, definite ending, no ending--it doesn't matter to me if alternate universes can be substituted. If you think about it more philosophically, the events in Pokemon AUs (or just about any AU, for that matter) can happen just as likely and appealingly, possibly even more so, than the canon universe. When it comes down to it, the canon universe is also an AU in and of itself from a different point of view; it's just that many people put the OU into higher regard than what any AU that any fan can come up with. They're all stories either way, and everyone should be happy or unhappy depending on his or her preference, not on how his or her universe "doesn't exist" or "is insignificant" because "the canon matters the most." To put it in other words, if our ship doesn't become canon, who cares? Don't get me wrong; I want Advanceshipping to be acknowledged as canon as much as the next Advanceshipper, but hey, all because it's not true in one universe doesn't mean it's not true in another and that the latter is less valid than the former. If we don't like an Advanceshipping-less universe, should it possibly be the canon one, then let's switch our focus to another one, like PikamasterADV's or Matkin22's or any other revered author's AU. They're all stories. A story should never be considered invalid or nonexistent or impossible all because it's "not how the original writers imagined it to be"; it should only be considered parallel. Amen to THAT! ;D
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Post by xxxRAWRS on Feb 26, 2009 16:39:06 GMT 12
Either it's open-nded or like the ending of Digimon Season 02. Period. I think Pokeshippers are overly confident that the Pokemon season will end with Pokeshipping. However, I will add that the majority of the hints were 4kids and not the actual writer's intentions.
Bottom line is, I don't even think there will BE any shipping. It was meant to entertain children. There are newer and newer generations of Pokemon fans every day, and each day they're all just as young as second graders. It'll come to the point where Misty shows up, and they'll be saying, "Who's that? Who's that?" There just won't be any point in having an ending where Ash is paired up with a character that's been completely forgotten. That's all I have to say.
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Post by Rishi on Feb 26, 2009 17:53:38 GMT 12
Either it's open-nded or like the ending of Digimon Season 02. Period. I think Pokeshippers are overly confident that the Pokemon season will end with Pokeshipping. However, I will add that the majority of the hints were 4kids and not the actual writer's intentions. Bottom line is, I don't even think there will BE any shipping. It was meant to entertain children. There are newer and newer generations of Pokemon fans every day, and each day they're all just as young as second graders. It'll come to the point where Misty shows up, and they'll be saying, "Who's that? Who's that?" There just won't be any point in having an ending where Ash is paired up with a character that's been completely forgotten. That's all I have to say. Yeah, man. No matter WHICH way you look at it, Misty is STILL essentially a Generation 1 character originally based on a character from the Generation 1 game series. To put it bluntly, this means she's obsolete. Same goes for May, sadly. However, Ash isn't directly based on a game character, so he'll never become obsolete (that and the fact that he's obviously the main character of the anime series, along with Pikachu). And Pikachu will also never become obsolete due to its status as the mascot of the Pokemon franchise. Dammit, I sometimes wish the reset button wasn't pressed at the end of each generation. >_> Oh, one more thing: the Digimon season 2 ending was F**KED UP. There's just no other way of putting it. Tai and Sora OBVIOUSLY belong together, NOT f**king Matt and Sora. WTF? I mean, seriously... WTF?!?!?!
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Post by razgriz89 on Feb 27, 2009 0:55:31 GMT 12
Hmm...apparently when Pokemon was introduced to America, it was set for kids. But in the original perspective it was meant for everyone. I thought of it because there are topics here that are too sensitive for kids to even hear.
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Post by xxxRAWRS on Feb 28, 2009 12:22:53 GMT 12
People of all ages of course. But even so, you would at least think that they had better comebacks instead of "Let's get out of here." "Yeah." or "I think you children oughtta be on your way." (No, seriously... WTF? CHILDREN?) The least they could do was have a rebel or something that fought back. 0_o One of the reasons why Pokemon appears to be a kids show.
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Post by razgriz89 on Feb 28, 2009 14:52:57 GMT 12
You said so: people of all ages. Would children even understand slang substitutions of those words? I guess they had no choice but to reduce the terms to an understandable level.
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Post by KatonRyu on Apr 17, 2009 9:42:48 GMT 12
Oh, one more thing: the Digimon season 2 ending was F**KED UP. There's just no other way of putting it. Tai and Sora OBVIOUSLY belong together, NOT f**king Matt and Sora. WTF? I mean, seriously... WTF?!?!?! I apologize in advance for being off topic, but...WTF? Matt and Sora? Matt? Rishi's right, Tai and Sora were made to be together. And no, I never saw Digimon beyond the Dark Master saga so I have no idea what happened. Now to contribute something to the topic...A non-shipping ending seems most likely, as the girls are pretty 'expandable', so to speak. With a series like Avatar it was obvious who would end up with who, but even there you have Zuko/Katara fans. I think in the end, it's up to us shippers to create an AU where Ash ends up with whoever we want him to, May in our case. Pokemon focuses on the League challenges, not romance. Maybe the writers throw in hints, but they won't do anything for sure. What I'm trying to say is, we made this ship, only we can make it happen.
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Post by thedarkfiddler on Apr 17, 2009 9:44:20 GMT 12
Well, to be fair, Zutara did have more hints than some of the other odd ships. More than MattxSora, that for sure
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