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Post by narutoninja44 on Sept 7, 2009 15:05:40 GMT 12
So, if you all arent as stupid as a stick, you prolly have noticed how ADV Inc kinda sucks right now. WHY?
I blame the admins.
Ima dead serious, I do. You guys do nothing nowadays, you dont make threads, you dont inspire us to make threads. You dont post or encourage us to post. You all just sit and watch us and say: Do something to make this work, it's not like WE can do anything.
Seriously dudes, man up or something. Dryuu had to PM me on FF.net to get me on here, not the Admins, not a mod, DRYUU who eventually became a crybaby and left cause he 'wasnt getting many weveiws'. Yes, I did spell reveiws wrong.
Also, I have to point a finger at Jb, our 'beloved' admin who cant even keep himself on the computer for more then two weeks straight without getting his ass grounded. His attitude shows me that he's basically saying: Oh well, if ADV Inc dies, then it dies. I dont really care. Yet he goes on to say he cares.
Sure you do, Jb, sure you do.
Also, I point the finger to the 'original' 9 or 10 or whatever the hell it was. Lets see whos still here and whos not:
Jb: Gets grounded, barely on and puts all the work on his girlfriend. Great bf, btw.
Lara: I know her mom has breast cancer and stuff but seriously, I dont remember a post from her when I first joined. I dont remember anything about her.
XAOTL: Good poster and stuff, but I havent seen him do anything admin-wise YET.
Matkin: I...dont even remember what he did. He barely posts now.
Lord Vutax: Retired member, I dont remember much from him either.
Bbbstrwbrry: Prolly the only one who posts, though she doesnt do much as a Global Mod (sorry Ally. =P)
Great choice in original staff there, Jb. Arent they all dedicated!? [/sarcasm]
And heres the rest of the staff that were eventually chosen:
AA: Sure, she does stuff. But she accused me of wrongfully causing that stupid Taylor Swift/Joe Bro thing. The WHOLE thing. Plus, shes Jb's cyber girl, of course shes on here, of course.
Praetor: ...where the hell is he?
Rob: Prolly the ONLY good staff member here.
WolfofDoom: Please see Praetors.
TheDarkFiddler: ...Really what DOES he do anymore?
NarutoNinja44: Sure, I havent been the best mod. Ima pretty laid back, but hell, I brought this place to life in March 08. And I fraggin post.
Again, GREAT STAFF PICKS Jb. GREAT.
So in conclusion, Ima sick of Jb and his attitude, Ima sick of false accusations and only 3 threads working. Ima sick of this and I hope this thread has woken some of the older members up to see how peopel have really elt this place go. One person cant keep a city going, and that goes the same for forums.
Thanks for hearing my rant. Thank you and Good night.
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Post by Ally on Sept 7, 2009 15:14:27 GMT 12
Agreed.
Completely and 100% agreed.
Nikky practically wrapped this up in a nice pretty little bow for you all.
I literally read this thing, and went "Wow, look who finally decided to do something." NO ONE. And I repeat NO ONE has done anything, sure I know I haven't tried either, but you can't say you tried because NO ONE DID!
Nikky is probably the only one that has.
Personally, I could careless if I get banned right now, atleast I'm going down with a fight, because really this place practically sucks camel US Vice-President between 2001 and 2009 right now.
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Post by DaveTheFishandChipsGuy on Sept 7, 2009 16:05:16 GMT 12
I pretty much agree with this. I mostly use this site now to play random games, laugh at what my friends are up to, and to message Manda when one of us isn't online. I can't remember the last time I posted, or even READ anything serious to do with AdvanceShipping. I joined this site when I'd just gotten into fanfiction, and some of my fave authors were here, and now aren't.
XAOTL, Matkin, and LuciferIX all barely post, Dryuu, as Nikky said, left after becoming a review-whore, James, who i became pretty good friends with, has dropped off the face of the earth, though i'm not sure if that's because he's getting used to being back in Oz since i haven't seen him on msn or facebook either.
i also partially joined because Manda was here but she wasn't posting when i joined >.>
So, yeah. I dunno what to say now. To be fair, there hasn't been a lot of stuff to do with AS around since May dissapeared. That's all I can think to say >.>
I just mostly stick here cos it's where i made good friends.
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Post by cascade88 on Sept 7, 2009 17:03:28 GMT 12
This is all very true.
Not trying to dis' a soul here, but why does Jb think this place can't really survive without him? I'm not saying he's not wanted/needed/we don't like him/he sucks in the SLIGHTEST. I'm saying that it's irrational as to why he truly finds this place defenseless without him, considering that he is rarely on.
Do we need an active/semi-active admin? Yes. And we have Anime for that.
As for the mods that are never even here, why are they mods at all? Nothing against them, and I don't see a problem with BBBStrawberry or XAOTL's mod status, but then again, why are there so many mods when there is nothing to mod in the first place? In fact, forget who's a mod and who's not--there's just too many, period.
I can give props to Anime clearing some of out the members accounts that don't show up, but even that took FOREVER and I still don't see why. And more to it, the user count still isn't remotely accurate. 40 or so would be, honestly.
I love posting in the game threads here, and it's where I've made some awesome friends.
And oh yeah, there's this Dave guy that I'm kinda in love with too.... <.< >.>
But really, why all the unnessecary mods? Why all the power hungry people? What's up with that?
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Post by Anime Aficionada on Sept 7, 2009 18:20:32 GMT 12
Albeit unwillingly, I do pretty much agree with this.
And I’ll first and foremost apologise for the whole Jonas Bros incident. It wasn’t right of me to point the finger accusingly at you, when I didn’t even get the facts straight. I really am sorry, Nikky, even if it doesn’t mean much right now.
I can’t talk on the behalf of JB, mainly because... I partially concur with what has already been said. But, what really have we been doing here, AdvanceShipping-wise? I mean, I apprehend and know I haven’t, and don’t, do anything for crap – but a good project (like ADVpedia comes to mind) shouldn’t just go down the drain like that. Oh, and remember the AdvanceShipping Arceus Awards? Well yeah, I’d blame myself for that one, too.
So basically, everyone in this forum (save for a few people) have caused its downfall. Even though we can point fingers all we want, and I’m not saying I don’t stand accused for either, but there’s no point in doing so if we don’t bother to look for ways to improve our situation in the long run.
For now I honestly have no ideas on doing THAT, either (oh yes, BIG surprise), but if anyone does, I’d really like to know. And please, refrain from the “oh but you’re the admin” crap; we’re all through the gutter in this – so we’ve all got to pull each other out of it, no matter how corny, or cliché that sounds.
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Post by RobSp1derp1g on Sept 7, 2009 23:05:41 GMT 12
I agree with some of these things. First, let me talk about JB. I need to talk to him, and I'm not the only one in need to do so, but he apparently has tons of stuff going on, and there's this thing called "timezones" that don't help either. As for the original 9, I agree. And I agree with Dave, as well. Since May vanished (sorry XAOTL ), AS seemed to hit a standstill. Now, I don't know how we'll overcome this. BUT WE WILL! Last but not least, yes, the site is dying, but it hs been on the death row before and we always pulled through. That will happen again, we will save the site from decadence. We can create some kind of a contingency plan to avoid this from happening again.
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Post by Ash-y on Sept 7, 2009 23:43:45 GMT 12
I second what Rob is saying.
And can I add too. Seeing what's been happening on here. With the Staff and Mods, Please pay good attention.
I notice about topics on here, Only some are on Topic, But some had been WAY off-topic on most of them. But thing is, Mods should set some boundaries like warn members to stay on-topic. cause if members are not warned about it. It's like they can do what they feel to spam. MODS, Sometime we need some warning to make sure we're not doing the wrong thing!
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Post by Ally on Sept 8, 2009 2:46:48 GMT 12
Ahem, first of all, Nikky wants to point out that the whole point of this is thread is about the ADMINS and STAFF.
This has nothing to do with the site and how its dying. Yea, sure this COULD be about the site dying, but its not, so start a different thread to revive it please. Because, this for fucking sure, it probably the ONE topic I want to keep on track.
Seriously, our staff is suckish, no beyond that SUCKY. We never really do anything! Thats the point, we never do anything, myself included. So get off your damn lazy asses, like I am TRYING to do, and make a difference in the goddamned sucky staff here. Goddamnit.
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Post by cascade88 on Sept 8, 2009 2:52:47 GMT 12
^ yeah, what the tourettes chick said.
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Post by narutoninja44 on Sept 8, 2009 2:53:48 GMT 12
-headdesk- -headdesk- -headdesk- -headdesk- -headdesk- -headdesk-
This isnt this site about being on 'death row' or about how ADVS is gone! You all missed my point of this whole thing! what Ima saying in this is NOT on how we're off-topic, its NOT on how ADV Inc's dying, its NOT about most of the things you all have said!
What I have been saying is that our staff suck. Yes, I know Ima a staff. I dont care. We suck at promoting this place.
Also, Manda, Ally, and dave seem to be the ONLY people who have hit the mark in some way or another!
Yes, we need an active admin. Is Jb active? I think not. And why do we have so many staff if we have so little members? Why are the members reluctant to post? And who cares if we're off-topic? Off-topicness is what pumped life into this place! And how many staff did we have? Hmmm...
Our staff suck and are unneeded to have 2 million to mod 3 members. Also, I personally think we need a new admin (AA's fine) who isnt insecure and so egotistic that they think that the site will die without them around when it's not even true. We need someone who WILL be around and if they're not, they can trust in their WISELY chosen staff to keep the place going and to ring in new members!
Yes, I will blame the admins cause you guys do just sit there and do nothing. I've been to many, and I repeat, MANY forums. And you know what? Most of their admins care about their site and ADVERTISE. Youtube, DeviantArt, hell, even Fanfiction! They DO things. And how do they get things done? Because they INTERACT with their members and they're all so friendly that they can all get assigned jobs and DO them.
ADVpedia, dunno what the hell that was. It failed. Why? Cause we dont plan. And I've noticed that Advanceshippers are disorganized, lazy, dreamers, and stubborn. So before you all reply to this thread, REMEMBER to look above your little heads and SEE the point and try to stop it from flying about your head AGAIN.
Thank you Ally for summing up my rant too, by the way. =)
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Post by JbstormburstADV on Sept 8, 2009 4:17:39 GMT 12
.......You really make me think that in the end, the site isn't worth it. I don't want to have a headache at least twice a month because members are complaining about the staff themselves. And I really don't want to think that, because if you think about it, at least the vets are still checking for signs of life.
If you can notice something, I've always been on almost every day, once or twice, to check up on the situation, and now, we're pretty bad. The unexplained posts from cascade in certain sections come to my mind primarily, especially since we haven't dealt with a hacker in a LONG time. I may be inactive at posting, but I've always been present during a crisis, and now, I'm in crisis mode.
The site is honestly about to wreck itself if we don't do something, and posting stuff about shipping is not going to do it. The thing with shipping sites is that its ACTUAL main purpose is NOT to promote talk about shipping, as most people think, even though it is a purpose. No the main purpose is to keep the community together, something that always is hard to achieve because of all the differing views.
Now some are probably looking at me like I'm crazy, but my point has been proven time after time. If a site is solely just talk about AdvanceShipping, it often comes apart. If the rifts between members grows too large, war will often cause the site to decay. But as long as we the fandom talk together about anything, we can stay together, standing in hope, knowing that one day, someone will amaze the fandom with something, and we'll become excited again about the possibilty.
And sure, the mods may be inactive, but there is such a thing as real life. In fact, I'll be AFC for the rest of the day starting from 2, and this is magnified because it is summer. We're going to see a LOT more posting once the school year begins, because then, people will be at home.
As for me being grounded, my parents are more like the type for long-lasting punishments, and I can't get out of them easily anymore. And besides, who says I'm grounded, too? I could be having Internet trouble, and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. :headbang: So, I don't want to hear ANYTHING about it, because face it, we've all been grounded before, and that WILL be a fact of life.
And to the rest, was I to know that they would be good posters! I'm tired of people pointing fingers at me for my choices. You did the same thing when a_f-chan came to the site, and now, she's one of the most proactive members here. And Nikky, I will admit, I do hand a lot of the command decisions down to a_f, but because SHE'S THERE. I can't be all the time, and I can trust her completely. What I can't do is trust myself, because the way the site is organized, it makes things very tricky to change.
Truly, I'd have to say my only mistakes so far have been to over-do the member-to-staff ratio (which is a PERFECTLY viable explanation for some mods/admins getting lax; after all, less eventually leads to none), and the fact that I've been away too long at times. Honestly, I may say that you need me, and it may not be true, but I can't trust many people with the full adminship. Being an admin can corrupt people, and I know it, considering my experience at BMGF. And even though I may be lazy, have I wronged anyone yet?
Besides, I've come up with something BIG that ought to reenergize all of us, and I've been planning this VERY thoroughly. In fact, as I can say, soon, we will officially be ADV Inc. v2.0.
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Post by narutoninja44 on Sept 8, 2009 4:40:55 GMT 12
.......You really make me think that in the end, the site isn't worth it. I don't want to have a headache at least twice a month because members are complaining about the staff themselves. And I really don't want to think that, because if you think about it, at least the vets are still checking for signs of life. Yo, Ima a staff myself and IMA complaining about the staff. Dont you think there is something a bit...I dunno...WRONG when your own staff are complaining about that? Ooooo Ima so scared/intimidated/feel safe from danger. Honestly dude, if your in 'crisis mode' i wanna see the mode you put on when everyone goes in mutiny against you and destroys the site. When did you figure this out? When all the threads went inactive or when the members started to become inactive? Well if we're supposed to keep a community together, then why arent we promoting this place to actually, you know...BUILD a community? Then maybe this site might have some hope. =P Again, when did you figure this out? Also, if you havent noticed, we have a weak grip on this forum becoming a wasteland that no one wants to call home. We cant survive on Games and Spam Land Sections forever. What war? [sarcasm]Cause that defiantly happened when May appaeared in the Wallace Cup.[/sarcasm] Do you remember the thread with you saying: We're gonna have a big flux in new members? Yeah, where are they exactly? I've been waiting for a few months and I see none here. I believe we all live in this 'real life' that you speak of. =P No, this makes us less active because school usually = social spike. Plus, homework, projects, studying, sports, and school itself cuts people from its time. I remember on Serebii at the beginning of summer, the server slows cause its SUMMER. When people are at HOME. This can be prevented by behaving and doing the right thing. Duh. You're the main admin, people are going to do that. You signed up for it, not us. I love how the guy who doesnt trust himself is the guy who leads this whole place. [sarcasm]Dont we have a great leader!?[/sarcasm] 1. Then fix the 'only' mistake you made. 2. Fix that too then. Again, I love how the guy who doesnt even trust himself is the one leading us. ...Are you serious? You've done nothing. That's prolly the worst wrong you can do. You. Do. Nothing. A leader that does nothing is a blind man leading the blind. Jesus Christ, dont make us like that PokeFriends forum you just affiliated ourselves with. And plus, whats the point of this if you arent going to promote it? Btw. You also missed the whole point of my thread/rant/argument. Great job.
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Post by JbstormburstADV on Sept 8, 2009 5:22:05 GMT 12
No, what I'm doing is correlating MY point to YOUR point. Even though we do have different points, in the end, one point leads into another, and while you may be looking at it from one perspective, you need the whole picture to get an accurate description.
Take this for example; we all know that the mods in BMGF and Serebii are all unfair, right? In fact, a lot of people will admit that even they are more incompetant than we are. Sure, we may not use our power often, but we don't intimidate others either. Not to mention some of their decisions weren't really well made, such as the what I assume to still be standing VA morartorium. Many, and I mean MANY people complain about that decision still, and nothing will be done to change it. I even volunteered MYSELF to Archaic to monitor the talks between both sides, and I have not gotten a reply to this day.
Yet, why don't we see something like this happen there? Because, face it or not, BMGF and Serebii will be going for years, and the members are overall satisfied with the experience.
Now, note the picture here. Our staff is better than that of at least BMGF and Serebii (admit it, Nikky, that at least is true), so what's with the frustration? The fact that the site is essentially close to going comatose. So, do me a favor and really try to take in the whole picture, and tell me what's the difference between us and the main sites, and then take up the debate from there.
Being fickle about one point makes a complainee, but taking in the whole picture makes one an informed complainee. So, what's the difference? The informed complainee, rather than stressing a point, would actually give sensible suggestions to the body being complained about, and see how they take it from there. The same thing happened with Dryuu, and I hate to say it, but I see a pattern.
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Post by narutoninja44 on Sept 8, 2009 11:43:13 GMT 12
No, what I'm doing is correlating MY point to YOUR point. Even though we do have different points, in the end, one point leads into another, and while you may be looking at it from one perspective, you need the whole picture to get an accurate description. I've been looking at the whole picture, I just choose to see only my perspective. :zaru: Now you're calling us incompetant? Bravo, Jb, your insulting us now. :zaru: Dont know what the hell a VA morartorium is and frankly, I couldnt care less. =P This is because: They actually pay for their boards and sites, therefore, they will get more populairy for their actually work ethic put into it. They always will be popular because they pay, not use proboards and freewebs. Face it, higher quality that costs money > lower quality thats free. Better options and more choices will always keep a forum running. Dude, everyones staff is better then BMGF and Serebii's. And why the frustration? Cause we dont have an admin who will do something and try to help this place. Not come out of hiding in the shadows when a 'crisis' appears. 1. We use a free board. 2. Their main admin isnt insecure and untrustworthy. 3. They actually are popular and know how to ring people in with good looks and good reputation. 4. What is the big picture? You havent explained it to me yet. All I see if you trying to justify something that doesnt need to and you arent pointing out a picture, your just looking through the other end of the telescope. Did you just compare me to Dryuu? Cause I aint a reveiw-whore. I aint a crybaby who quits and throws a fit when things dont go my way. I dont sit here and watch the site die, if you havent noticed, I actually spoke up and Ima argueing with you about how you fucked up the site. Dryuu complained and threw a fit, he got angry because people werent paying attention to him, he =/= me. If you see a pattern, then hell, try to stop it Jb. After all, your the main admin. The leader. Oh yes, I said leader because you made this forum and you are the one argueing against me. Trust me, when your the leader, you gotta stop the patterns that cause problems. So, heres my question. What are you going to do Jb? How are you gonna unfuck this forum?
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Post by cascade88 on Sept 8, 2009 12:02:59 GMT 12
I have another point to make, regarding the ratio of Mods/Admins to actual active members.
Look up at the Pokepallooza!! site thing. Click it. You'll find a baron, desolate place where a forum used to be. Why did it die? I made my boyfriend co-admin. and like ALL of my best friends mods. Not saying I wish I hadn't, because after all, I only made the place for kicks. But dude, my forum did die, and quickly and painfully so.
Why? Again, I repeat, repeat repeat, repeat repeat, repeat repeat, repeat repeat, repeat, repeat:
Too many mods!
Fix this issue first, delete the rest of the innactive accounts. It's a start at least. >.o
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