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Post by Rishi on Aug 5, 2009 2:31:41 GMT 12
In Matthew 19:24 of the King James Bible, it is declared: "And again I say unto you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." However, does this declaration apply to ALL needles of ANY possible size? The Bible is ambiguous about the answer to this particular question. According to the highly reliable (and frequently edited) source Wikipedia, fully grown adult camels stand approximately 1.85 metres tall at the shoulder and approximately 2.15 metres tall at the hump.  What if someone produced a needle that was 7 metres in height and which contained an eye 3 metres in height, length and width? Then it seems that an average adult camel would be able to pass through the eye of that particular needle without any excessive difficulty. What if, suddenly and without any prior warning, ALL of the needles on Earth were 7 metres in height and contained eyes that were 3 metres in height, length and width (perhaps through the use of mahima siddhi, a yogic ability which enables one to increase the size of one's body and/or anything one wants in general)? I presume that many more rich men would be entering the kingdom of God than God Herself intended. Perhaps SO many more rich men would be entering God's kingdom that God would have to expand the spatial boundaries of Her heavenly abode! Can someone provide me with an answer to this mystery? I will die an incomplete man if this mystery of biblical proportions isn't solved in my lifetime.....  |
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Post by cascade88 on Aug 5, 2009 3:00:43 GMT 12
Once ages ago, I was actually watching a preacher giving a sermon on the Christian Television station, and he seemed to imply that the 'eye of a needle' was a mistranslation entirely. What was meant to be said that it'd be simpler for a cammel to be able to enter in through the keyhole-esque doorways that often led into Arabian-type doorways on buildings.
That said, if he was wrong and it is no mistranslation (of course the Bible IS full of more than it's share of them) then it was probably just meant to be a simple metaphore; parable, if you will.
Alterantely, it could just be all interpretational. The Bible itself IS one big contradiction and loophole, to be perfectly honest.
[/soda inspires me rant]
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Post by Rishi on Aug 5, 2009 15:37:59 GMT 12
Once ages ago, I was actually watching a preacher giving a sermon on the Christian Television station, and he seemed to imply that the 'eye of a needle' was a mistranslation entirely. What was meant to be said that it'd be simpler for a cammel to be able to enter in through the keyhole-esque doorways that often led into Arabian-type doorways on buildings. That said, if he was wrong and it is no mistranslation (of course the Bible IS full of more than it's share of them) then it was probably just meant to be a simple metaphore; parable, if you will. Alterantely, it could just be all interpretational. The Bible itself IS one big contradiction and loophole, to be perfectly honest. [/soda inspires me rant] Thanks for your answer. I will die a complete man now.  |
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Post by Vurtax on Aug 6, 2009 0:20:10 GMT 12
Actually your both wrong, Many gates of Jerusalem were in fact very narrow gates, so narrow that it was almost impossible for something like a Camel to get through. The Narrowest of those gates was in fact called "The eye of a needle"
It may not be Completely impossible but it almost is. Thats what the bible is saying
And i wish there would be some respect on this forum for peoples religions cascade, JB has had that rule up since the beginning of this forum. How about i just go around mocking Buddhist, Aethiests, Jews, Muslims, Evolutionists, and hindus, would that be appropriate?
Needless to say I think you should avoid harrassing the word of my god
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Post by cascade88 on Aug 6, 2009 3:32:30 GMT 12
Actually your both wrong, Many gates of Jerusalem were in fact very narrow gates, so narrow that it was almost impossible for something like a Camel to get through. The Narrowest of those gates was in fact called "The eye of a needle" It may not be Completely impossible but it almost is. Thats what the bible is saying And i wish there would be some respect on this forum for peoples religions cascade, JB has had that rule up since the beginning of this forum. How about i just go around mocking Buddhist, Aethiests, Jews, Muslims, Evolutionists, and hindus, would that be appropriate? Needless to say I think you should avoid harrassing the word of my god 1. The thing regarding the shape of the buildings that I said is exactly what you just said; how am I wrong? 2. Go ahead and mock whomever you like. It's called freedom of speech. I use it. So do you, when you, for instance, decide to randomly pop up and try to cause the controversy you love so much. :3 Oh, and: Actually your both wrong[...] you're* |
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Post by Vurtax on Aug 6, 2009 8:54:05 GMT 12
No its not right, to mock other religions, and a simple respect for my religion would be appreciated.
Also how you answered the question barely made any sense I can't tell if you're talking about someones house or a well with a lock on the top of it.
and a simple spelling error you're pointing out is ridiculous. How many times here have you misspelled posts? Or anyone for that matter
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Post by cascade88 on Aug 6, 2009 10:35:08 GMT 12
To address the last question, not often. And when I have, I've edited it. But I just did that to nitpick, to make a point, that you, often, nitpick and make mountains out of mole hills.
And okay, well I have nothing against any religion. I did not say that Christianity was full of loopholes or contradictions, merely that the Bible is. Many other Christians whole-heartedly believe this, by the way. If expressing a personal opinion is being offensive, then this is a sad, sad day indeed.
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Post by DaveTheFishandChipsGuy on Aug 6, 2009 11:07:36 GMT 12
The Bible IS full of mistranslations. It was originally written in Hebrew and Greek, so it had to be translated into English. There are going to be error's in pretty much ANY translation (just look at Japanese programmes that get dubbed :zaru: )
Because of these mistranslations, and quite often NOT because of them, the Bible is full of contradictions, just like the fine lady above me has said.
And btw, I'm a christian, but I'm not throwing a hissy fit over someone's personal opinions.
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Post by Rishi on Aug 6, 2009 18:46:29 GMT 12
I'm not a Christian - and neither is Jesus Christ.  |
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Post by cascade88 on Aug 6, 2009 18:50:32 GMT 12
Aha, touché.  There is that fact too. Also, Dave is right. His underwear don't get in a wad over opinions and he is very much a fan of our Jesus. |
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Post by Vurtax on Aug 7, 2009 15:50:51 GMT 12
the bible does certainly have much to do with christians, if not everything. Thats like making fun of Qur'ran and say your not insulting muslims
Japanese msitranslation happens because they have to fit the best words into the movements of the mouth and time span. Guess what! The bible is in pages not a sound and timebar
If i was throwing a hissy fit I would be calling her names, Am I? No I'm simply asking for some respect i Think I've done enough and been apart of this forum long enough to ask for, especially for religion. Politics I'll debate but Religion should be left alone.
No jesus was not a christian because !surprise! he's god or the son of god
Nothing more to be said
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Post by cascade88 on Aug 7, 2009 15:58:38 GMT 12
Ern.... Jesus was not a Christian because He was Jewish. Yeah.... As for the rest, uhm, not even sure what on earth you're talking about. When did Japanese enter the picture....   |
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Post by Rishi on Aug 7, 2009 16:45:38 GMT 12
Ern.... Jesus was not a Christian because He was Jewish. Yeah.... This. As for the rest, uhm, not even sure what on earth you're talking about. When did Japanese enter the picture.... Also this. |
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Post by thedarkfiddler on Aug 7, 2009 23:49:13 GMT 12
the bible does certainly have much to do with christians, if not everything. Thats like making fun of Qur'ran and say your not insulting muslims Making fun of the Qur'ran isn't the same as making fun of Muslims. It's like making fun of Twilight and saying you're not insulting Twilight fans. They often go hand in hand, but the two aren't mutually inclusive. |
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Post by Midnightmoon602 on Aug 8, 2009 0:57:57 GMT 12
Hmm, im a Christan/Catholic and i really didn't bother to notice this. i thought this was a kinda a riddle back then to make people think and understand its meaning. but hey, thats just me.
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There is that fact too.
