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Post by Elite4James on Mar 5, 2008 14:12:52 GMT 12
He abused his Absol?
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Post by LuciferIX on Mar 5, 2008 14:25:13 GMT 12
I think it was more just an extremely tough training regiment. Although I'm not exactly sure.
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Post by Praetor on Mar 5, 2008 15:29:20 GMT 12
He abused his absol because it did not perform well in a contest, and May caught him red handed.
He turned on May and started taking out his anger at her.
I just found the episode name, I think. It is called Thinning The Hoard.
Drew foreshadows Paul in this episode.
Paul abuses his pokemon in a obvious way; Drew does it secretly.
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Post by Elite4James on Mar 5, 2008 19:29:43 GMT 12
Paul is very strict, he never gives praise and his training regimens border on abusive. But like Drew I think he sets very high standards and looks down upon any who don't meet them human or Pokemon.
It is well known Drew is very critical by nature. He's critical of May, of his Pokemon's performances and I believe he has pretty high standards not only for his Pokemon but for himself. I didn't think he was abusive like Paul. He also doesn't seem like the type to harm or release Pokemon who do not perform to his standards. Criticize certainly, but not physically harm.
Ash on the other hand gives encouragement and praise, he even trains with his Pokemon. Look at when Staravia was trying to learn Brave Bird. Ash actually would run in front of Staravia whilst it was trying to do the move, then quickly dodge out of the way (now that's dedication). If his Pokemon fail to perform well, he blames himself and still offers encouragement and praise to the Pokemon in question (when Chimchar lost to Piplup in Chimchar's Tears). He believes in bonding with your Pokemon, becoming friends with them and becoming closer to them in order to bring out their full potential.
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Post by XAOTL on Mar 6, 2008 4:55:22 GMT 12
LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
Drew is shorter than May....
wait a sec, wasn't he older than her?
anywayz, Drews own personal way of training hasn't gotten much insight into apart from that one episode, when he calls may "weak" for caring about her Pokemon.
But the explanation that Solidad gave May is that he had JUST realised that May had caught up with him as a co-ordinator and was trying his hardest to make sure not to loose, which fits in with my idea that he was slacking off of his training a bit, I.E. in the Contestshippy episode where he is 'having R 'n' R'
As a last ditch attempt, he forces his Absol to do its attacks in the most perfect that it can do. So not to loose to one of his rivals (hypocritical how he always says that May should work harder, yet dose not set those standards for himself).
Anywayz Absols own thoughts, or reasons were not headed by Drew, as he was enourmously set on his own goals to notice.
But what really freaked me out in that scene was that even Harley was scared by Drews training regiments.
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Post by LuciferIX on Mar 6, 2008 10:32:53 GMT 12
Paul is very strict, he never gives praise and his training regimens border on abusive. But like Drew I think he sets very high standards and looks down upon any who don't meet them human or Pokemon. It is well known Drew is very critical by nature. He's critical of May, of his Pokemon's performances and I believe he has pretty high standards not only for his Pokemon but for himself. I didn't think he was abusive like Paul. He also doesn't seem like the type to harm or release Pokemon who do not perform to his standards. Criticize certainly, but not physically harm. Ash on the other hand gives encouragement and praise, he even trains with his Pokemon. Look at when Staravia was trying to learn Brave Bird. Ash actually would run in front of Staravia whilst it was trying to do the move, then quickly dodge out of the way (now that's dedication). If his Pokemon fail to perform well, he blames himself and still offers encouragement and praise to the Pokemon in question (when Chimchar lost to Piplup in Chimchar's Tears). He believes in bonding with your Pokemon, becoming friends with them and becoming closer to them in order to bring out their full potential. Well that bit sets Ash apart from virtually all of his major rivals. While Gary was never abusive towards his pokemon his main strategy was to simply catch as many as you could and get them as strong as possible. Although he has changed a lot since his introduction. Drew is just over demanding of his Pokemon. He wants perfection from his pokemon and cares for nothing less. Paul is taking portions of both of them to the extreme. He wants the strongest pokemon and will do what ever it takes for them to reach perfection. Although Ash has proven that his training method is successful. His pokemon will fight for him and do mnay things for him as well. It strengthens the bond between them further when he actually will use his own body to help with their training. Because of that bond his pokemon are probably far more determined than Paul' pokemon are.
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Post by Praetor on Mar 6, 2008 11:39:54 GMT 12
Paul is very strict, he never gives praise and his training regimens border on abusive. But like Drew I think he sets very high standards and looks down upon any who don't meet them human or Pokemon. It is well known Drew is very critical by nature. He's critical of May, of his Pokemon's performances and I believe he has pretty high standards not only for his Pokemon but for himself. I didn't think he was abusive like Paul. He also doesn't seem like the type to harm or release Pokemon who do not perform to his standards. Criticize certainly, but not physically harm. Ash on the other hand gives encouragement and praise, he even trains with his Pokemon. Look at when Staravia was trying to learn Brave Bird. Ash actually would run in front of Staravia whilst it was trying to do the move, then quickly dodge out of the way (now that's dedication). If his Pokemon fail to perform well, he blames himself and still offers encouragement and praise to the Pokemon in question (when Chimchar lost to Piplup in Chimchar's Tears). He believes in bonding with your Pokemon, becoming friends with them and becoming closer to them in order to bring out their full potential. Paul never physically harmed his pokemon either. I would say that what Drew is doing is more than "holding high standards"; he is pushing the limits of his pokemon. As soon as it performs well in a contest, Drew would want it to perform even better. In this way, Drew is a bit like Paul. This also proves my point of Drew being like Paul. He's just a more hypocritical and lazier version of Paul.
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Post by Elite4James on Mar 6, 2008 13:47:05 GMT 12
Paul may not have physically abused his Pokemon directly, but he has put their physical safety at risk. This can be described as bordering on abuse. Gross negligence can be considered abuse. Chimchar is the prime example of that. Nurse Joy warned him not to use Chimchar in the next tag battle, but he did so regardless. He also made it take on opponents far more dangerous, putting Chimchar's life at risk in order to reach into that power it displayed in that moment of desperation against those Zangoose when he first met it. Paul has a ruthlessness to him as well, willing to put others at risk in order to win. An example of this is when he ordered Chimchar to attack Metagross and Turtwig, despite Turtwig being his partner's Pokemon. Despite this, Paul must have a high friendship with the Pokemon he does have, an example of this is his Torterra, because it knows the move Frenzy Plant, which can only be obtained on high friendship with Torterra. I guess he doesn't really show it because he feels by doing so he would be spoiling it.
Gary's training regimen we never really got to see when he was Ash's main rival. However he showed a great deal of care and nurturing towards his Eevee (now Umbreon) and Umbreon can only obtained through high friendship, then leveling up at night. So Umbreon is a good example of arguing Gary's method being one of nuturing and care. Another example is his Blastoise knowing Hydro Cannon, which can only be learned after obtaining a high friendship with Blastoise. Gary did have a strategy of capturing as many Pokemon as possible, but he soon re-evaluated his methods after his defeats in both Indigo and Silver Conferences.
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Post by LuciferIX on Mar 6, 2008 14:29:48 GMT 12
Exactly why I said that Gary's changed over the last few years. He's gone from his original idea of pokemon to something closer to Ash's. After Ash got higher in the standings of a tournament for the second time in a row he must have taken a better look at the differences between them.
And as for the friendship moves, we don't know if thats how they learn them in the anime as they do in the game. As far as we know there is no such thing as a TM in the anime. And as long as the pokemon can practice the move they can reproduce anything that would be acceptable (ex. Pikachu when he learned Iron Tail)
But no one can deny that Paul's training method does have positive results in terms of power and such. He's actually kinda mimicking what we do in the games in terms of IV breeding. How many of us actually keep every failure for the IV breeding? And as for the training, if you make the pokemon deal with harder and harder battles, as long as they are victorious they will be gaining a lot of power real fast.
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Post by Elite4James on Mar 6, 2008 15:32:17 GMT 12
We can assume that there must potentially something along the lines of actually teaching Pokemon moves, since Staravia learned Brave Bird from Reiji and his Staraptor. As for moves like Frenzy Plant however, yeah, true, that's debatable. They really haven't specified how Pokemon learn certain moves or if they had previously learned them before capture or if they were born knowing those moves. It's just a handy tool for the writers I guess.
Totally agree with you about the IV breeding and EV training. Though I have kept a few Pokemon others would consider duds.
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Post by Praetor on Mar 6, 2008 15:43:59 GMT 12
Paul is able to foster friendship with pokemon like torterra because they garner his respect by being strong. Paul does not insult his powerful pokemon in general because he has RESPECT for them. However, Paul trains weak or potentially strong pokemon in a tough manner to battle harden them.
Training the moves is clearly different in the show than in the game. However, the moves that require friendship is no different.
It is possible to correct a pokemon's EV value, so you don't need to throw it away for that reason. It is the IV and the nature that I look for.
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Post by LuciferIX on Mar 6, 2008 16:03:10 GMT 12
Well you can only correct the EVs to a point, but other than that you're correct. But I was originally comparing it just to the IV. The experience from the anime is different than the games, so EVs are harder to compare. Not to mention that you can do training outside of battles in the anime, allowing you to focus your pokemon's abilities further.
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Post by Praetor on Mar 7, 2008 12:02:08 GMT 12
^ You're right as in the fact that EV values don't seem to show up in the show. It is much easier to see the pokemon's IV values in it because the pokemon's personality reflects their battle habits or techniques.
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Post by mattattack on Apr 16, 2008 13:46:48 GMT 12
If that ever happen the new ship would be called Harleygoessraightshipping
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Post by Wolfofdoom on May 5, 2008 16:27:47 GMT 12
Yeah... In all honesty... Who looks like a better match for this girl? This guy? Or this guy? Here's my answer: ;D I agree with you on this. Also this seems a little too fake to me. I'd say we have nothing to worry about
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