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Post by XAOTL on Jun 1, 2008 23:20:48 GMT 12
For one Dalek armour has close to no weakness. Whilst struck by lightning their armour only suffered only minor damage ( a small layer of ash otherwise perfictly normal). All bulets melt before they can even touch dalek armour. any space marene that wishes to even touch a dalek will be incinerated in an instant. The only wepons that would affect Daleks would be specially made aimed at a specific area, and that would only blind them momentarily. there have only been three things that can kill a Dalek: a dalek's pistol, the void, and the time vortex. For the daleks it won't be a war it'll be 'pest control' even if Exterminus is put into effect the Daleks would find it easy to survive in space if they need to. All imperium wepons would be inferior to dalek technology. even titans would topple by the time a Dalek would go into one, and control it for himself. then even if things are not going good they can always use their emergency teleportation, go to the past and slaughter the imperium before it would even come into bieing. - the daleks are back.... run to the hills!!! It's Salt and Pepper shakers on the loose
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Post by Praetor on Jun 2, 2008 7:42:35 GMT 12
Time travel will not help you. The Imperium was even more ferocious in the past, but its strength has stayed the same in the present, and will stay the same in the future.
If the Daleks were truly powerful, then they would have destroyed everybody and everything in the show, but they didn't.
Okay, if the Daleks stay in outer space when a exterminatus is ordered, then the Imperium would open up a black hole, and problem solved.
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Post by XAOTL on Jun 2, 2008 8:21:14 GMT 12
They nearly did.
The war left most of the universe in shreads, with holes beetween others bieing torn. Besides if the Imperium create a black hole the Daleks can easily move out of its range, like the Tardis. If they get sucked in. Emergency teleport. Last resort to the void.
Besides even the imperium must have started somewhere, like every race, at the point where their only wepons are sticks and stones. and seeing as they are human (with homeworld Terra) not all that difficult a task, seeing that humanity has already been hugely affected by the Daleks. The only reason they haven slaughtered everything is that they were in a war... and are at the brink of extinction now due to the scale of the war.
and Dave (how'd you know the daleks are coming?) the last episode was with the freakish shadows that ate everything, and that little girl who goes to the library. Where'd the daleks come in? (I take things back those 'shadows' would take every faction down)
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Post by Praetor on Jun 2, 2008 11:50:59 GMT 12
Terra is earth by the way. But what I don't understand is, though the Daleks are close to extinction, why don't they travel back in time to when they were highly populated? And why don't they travel even further back in time when their enemies were using sticks and stones so the Daleks can wipe them out with ease? Well, when the Daleks are returning back to Dr. Who, be sure to tell me about it, or better yet, post episodes of it. Maybe the Daleks are different than when they last debuted. And the Daleks have one glaring weakness that the Imperium would be glad to exploit, they depend on machines. There is something called the Machine Spirit -- fragments or the essences of the Machine god in EVERY machine in existence -- and it is responsible for the function or operation of the machine. Thus it is important to keep this Machine Spirit happy if let's say a power armor or tank is to work properly. It is the responsibility of the techpriests to keep the Machine Spirit content. Because alien races, such as the Daleks, does not know of the Machine Spirit, their technology, while it functions, mistreats and/or enslaves the Machine Spirit. The Imperium can take advantage of that by helping the discontent Machine Spirit curse the machine it inhabits so that it is malfunctions or becomes incapacitated. The Imperium can also ask for the blessing of the Machine Spirit to make their vehicles temporarily invulnerable or even autopilot themselves. The Machine Spirit is the reason that Titans are sentient, and have their own personality. Just think of the Machine Spirit as the mechanical equivalent of the force. Wikipedia describes the belief of the Machine Spirit and the Machine god. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Spirit#Machine_Spirit
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Post by DaveTheFishandChipsGuy on Jun 2, 2008 14:04:30 GMT 12
n00bs go home...
The Daleks are nearly extinct because The Great Time War (Pre-new series) removed them from all of Space-Time. Any more that were created by the Dalek Emperor were removed in a similar way by Rose Tyler (New Series 1-Ep 13 'The Parting of Ways') when she was under the influence of the Time Vortex.
This left the 4 members of the Cult of Skaro, who were safely in their Void Ship, in the Void, with the Genesis Ark (revealed in Series 2-Ep 13 'Doomsday'). This Ark released millions of Daleks onto Earth, where they battled with the Cybermen, before the Doctor re-opened the Void, and pulled them back inside. However, the Cult activated their 'Emergency Temporal Shift' and disappeared.
They were then encountered in the 1930's, trying to reanimate human corpses as Daleks. The Doctor thwarted this plan as well though. In the ensuing chaos, 3 of the Cult were killed, leaving only one, Dalek Caan.
@ XAOTL, me and a friend watched Have I Got News For You on BBC iPlayer, and there was a trailer for the rest of the series of DW. Suffice to say, Rose is coming back, as are the Daleks.
Imo, that last ep was really a 'behind the sofa' ep, until they stupidly tried to include a Zombie...
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Post by Praetor on Jun 2, 2008 17:02:53 GMT 12
When the Daleks do attempt time travel to destroy the roots of the Imperium, then the Imperium would have to stay in the warp/immaterium while that happens.
The immaterium is unaffected by the law of physics, and time is unpredictable within the warp.
Time in the warp is not synchronized with the material realm, so the Imperium would be unaffected by the Daleks trying to erase its roots. It may not even be possible for the Daleks to find the roots of the Imperium and destroy it because the PRESENT Imperium MUST exist. It exists because it is in the warp; which again, is unaffected by time in the material realm.
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Post by XAOTL on Jun 2, 2008 20:54:39 GMT 12
dave the new eps was alright bu I hate it when they try to be funny. like with the water gun. But that eps was like the one with the stone assasins. not half bad.
but on topic That would leave a time paradox, and a paradox machene would easily rectify that. Besides the Daleks (seeing that Terra is earth) have already heavily affected humanity, only bieing stopped by the slimmest of oppertunities. It would just take a small pust to finish the job.
and Machene god... Blasphomy!!! but still Daleks have the ability to convert other spiecies into workers/soldiers (fo as long as they need, then are exterminated) that do not rely on machinery as much. and if needs be into blessed Daleks, even the dead can be used. in the words of the Emperor
Dalek Emperor: We waited here, in the dark space... Damaged but rebuilding. Centuries passed and we quietly infiltrated the systems of Earth. Harvesting the waste of humanity, the prisoners, the refugees, the dispossessed, they all came to us. The bodies were phillited, pulped, sifted, the seed of the Human race is perverted, only one cell in a billion was fit to be nurtured!
The Doctor: So, you created an army of Daleks out of the dead.
Rose: That makes them... half human.
The Dalek Emperor: [voice rising] Those words are blasphemy!
Dalek #1: Do not blaspheme! Dalek #2: Do not blaspheme! Dalek #3: Do not blaspheme!
Dalek Emperor: Everything human has been purged, I cultivated pure and blessed Dalek!
The Doctor: Since when did the Daleks have a concept of Blasphemy?
Dalek Emperor: I reached into the dirt and gave new life, I am the God of all Daleks!
All Daleks: WORSHIP HIM! WORSHIP HIM! WORSHIP HIM! ---- Cyberman: Daleks, be warned; you have declared war upon the Cybermen.
Dalek Sec: This is not war. This is pest control!
Cyberman: We have five million Cybermen. How many are you?
Dalek Sec: Four.
Cyberman: You would destroy the Cybermen with four Daleks?
Dalek Sec: We would destroy the Cybermen with one Dalek! You are superior in only one respect.
Cyberman: What is that?
Dalek Sec: You are better at dying!
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Post by Praetor on Jun 3, 2008 8:47:53 GMT 12
The Daleks don't have this machine in its possession, and there was only one in existence, but it was destroyed.
Even if the Daleks have it, from what the text says, it would help the Imperium more than it would hurt it.
What millennium is Dr. Who in?
The Imperium stretches across the galaxy with millions of star systems and billions of planets in its possession. Seeing that the humans in Dr. Who are in a different universe than the humans in Warhammer 40,000, the Imperium is not affected by the Daleks. Earth and Mars are the most heavily defended planets in the Imperium.
The eyepiece is the most vulnerable spot? The Imperium would kill the Dalek operating it by using a lasgun, hellgun, or a lascannon to shoot at the eyepiece. The eyepiece must let light in to allow the Dalek to see, and since laser is light, the laser weapons would kill the Dalek. The Imperium has many marksman and snipers to do this.
Are the Dalek armor vulnerable to lightsabers?
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Post by DaveTheFishandChipsGuy on Jun 3, 2008 12:43:59 GMT 12
Dude, The Doctor is a Time Lord. This means he is a time-traveller.
This should give you an indication to when Doctor Who is set. ;D
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Post by Praetor on Jun 3, 2008 14:35:35 GMT 12
Okay, what millennium did the Daleks appear in the show?
The Doctor can travel through time, I got that down. I doubt he would go all the way into the 41st millennium.
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Post by DaveTheFishandChipsGuy on Jun 3, 2008 15:00:41 GMT 12
The Doctor has gone to the year 100 Trillion. That is: 100,000,000,000,000.
But the TARDIS was out of control in that ep. The furthest he's taken it purposfully has been the year 5,000,000,053
From what I can tell, the episodes with Daleks are set anywhere from c. 2500 BC to 1,002,164, so they get around pretty well ;D
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Post by Praetor on Jun 3, 2008 15:47:30 GMT 12
The Daleks are visitors to that millennium - 1,002,164. They don't belong there. To them, it is the future they are visiting; it is not the "present" time for the Daleks.
Neither is c. 2500 BC.
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Post by XAOTL on Jun 4, 2008 0:21:38 GMT 12
For one
The Daleks also have a wepon that the Imperium dose not. Time. Seeing as they fought in the last great Time war.
The results left many 'higher' bieings decimated regardless of weather they participated.
To fight at such a level is something that the Imperium has not managed. The Doctor described the Dalek as a "genius", able to calculate a thousand billion lock combinations in a single second and to download the entire contents of the Internet.
They built the Empire state building, controled all of the news that went in and out of Earth for centuries, affecting human culture ensuring that they didn't develop technologically at all, whilst they remained hidden.
Besides
no exterminatus would beat that.
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Post by Praetor on Jun 4, 2008 15:48:48 GMT 12
No, no exterminatus would be that. But the Imperium is brilliant. They have many experience in fighting aliens and they have developed strategies to counter them. After all, the Imperium is fighting against about 6 races/major factions of aliens all at once. The Imperium would very quickly think on their feet and develop a way to combat the Daleks. The Imperium would prevent the Daleks from going back through time and prevent them from using their Apocalypse Element. Since the Daleks have no other emotion other than hate, why not turn them against each other? It is simple and practical to do. The Imperium possess many psychic-talented people called psykers. Using the psykers, they can deploy mind tricks to turn the Daleks against each other, much like how the jedi uses the mind trick. There are also other ways to fool the Daleks -- by using the callidus assassin. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officio_AssassinorumBy using these equipment, the assassins can start a civil war between the Daleks.
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Post by XAOTL on Jun 5, 2008 9:10:42 GMT 12
So do the Daleks, they also have the expirience to control humanity, and many other alien races, to create new spiecies. To create a Dalek from the dead. to travel across all of time and space, travel actoss the void. A standard soldier can survive for years, whilst bieing tortures/falling through time, crashing through earths atmosphere. Bieing able to regenerate its armour in instants. Download the internet. Crush a mans skull. Review a subjects inteligance. and litterally eat a human whole, as well as run through an electronic lock's billion combinations in seconds. and incinerate any one who would touch them.
Daleks have only had a civil war once. and that was beetween their creator and the supreme Dalek.
There is no other Dalek that holds any amount of influence that is geat enough to create any form of a civil war, seeing as Daleks are only following their primary mission, an example would be what happened to Dalek Sec after he 'evolved'. Daleks do not have close ties to other Daleks, and finding Dalek Armour and weponry, in addition to becoming a Dalek (which looks like snot) in entirety is a difficult task. Even with that, they must have Dalek Ideology, show no close links to other Daleks( a method of assasination that is taken out) The Daleks would not be seperated by a civil war as they are binded by their primary reson for existance. To exterminate, any Dalek that questions that will commit suicide, or will be exterminated. any spies would be identified immediately, as they wouldn't be 'pure'.
Besides how can Exterminus beat that, destroying one planet is not the same as destroying all life in a universe 4 times the size of the Milky way. Not only will the Imperium be destroyed but the orks, the Tau, the Eldar. In one swift motion.
actually psycic abilities have no affect to those who are psycic themselves, or have a strong mind, so it would not be difficult to engineer a Dalek that has similar abilities, whilst 'not' using humans. and seeing as a Dalek can download the entire contex of the internet in a few seconds, it is rather easy to assume that they have such protection against psycics.
[qoute]The Imperium would prevent the Daleks from going back through time and prevent them from using their Apocalypse Element.[/quote]
Yeah, stopping technology that you are no where near to understand, or phisically close to. It's like a baby trying to stop a Nuke bieing launched.
The Daleks are also able to gain agents, they've used 'the mighty gagofest(sp)' to control and limit Human culture, and technological development for decades. To the point where the fourth great and bountiful human empire, was not a human empire, but an empire that humans were allowed to live in whilst the Daleks grew in strength.
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