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Post by Anime Aficionada on Sept 8, 2009 18:13:34 GMT 12
Gah, dudes, stop trying to completely flame each other now!
Okay, so we have two problems here, right?: 1) Wrong choices (athough probably not at the time) of our Staff; and 2) AdvanceShipping falling down the flimsy bunny rabbit hole.
So what do you guys want us to do now? Fall down into a river? Revote on our existing staff? Because since that’s the primary problem we’re having here, then a vote on what should be kept, removed, and added to our staff list seems to be my only feasible suggestion right now. However, if there’s a general consensus in doing so, please try to keep your suggestions a decision of equity and not favouritism.
Seriously guys, just try hammer down on a plan to fix this, rather than hammering down on each other. For goodness sake, people. >.<"
EDIT: Manda, yeah; I suppose we should delete those who've only posted like... once in their entire time in this forum - and indeed - it is a start to something at least... >.<"
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Post by thedarkfiddler on Sept 9, 2009 8:08:22 GMT 12
*Sigh* What a great thing to come home to after the first day of school.
If it would help, take my powers away, I just want my Karma to stay the same.
And I'm not bothering to read through the whole thread.
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Post by Anime Aficionada on Sept 9, 2009 8:46:13 GMT 12
Tell me about it... >.<"
And don't worry about your Karma, Spence; Karma's something that's entirely independent.
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Post by narutoninja44 on Sept 9, 2009 12:13:20 GMT 12
Gah, dudes, stop trying to completely flame each other now! Jb started it. 1. Yes, this was the whole point of my thread. Ima glad people arent being complete dumbass's now and not seeing my point. 2. This was not the point of my thread. Honestly, I could care less about Advanceshipping. Sure, I still like the shipping but the pokemon anime is past me right now, right now Ima more focused on a site that used to not suck before someone ruined it... Your the admin, start it up if you feel the need too. If you havent noticed, we did give out suggestions. How about the admins think of something for a change? Edit: @jb: Why arent you answering ANY of my questions in the posts I specially made for you? Afraid to answer? Did you crawl back into your hole until another 'crisis' occurs? You're bad at this debating/argueing/defending your site thing. :zaru:
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Post by timoteyo7 on Sept 9, 2009 22:29:20 GMT 12
This is the first time I ever used Notepad to post. The fail in this thread is just that ridiculous. So, if you all arent as stupid as a stick, you prolly have noticed how ADV Inc kinda sucks right now. WHY? I blame the admins. Ima dead serious, I do. You guys do nothing nowadays, you dont make threads, you dont inspire us to make threads. You dont post or encourage us to post. You all just sit and watch us and say: Do something to make this work, it's not like WE can do anything. Seriously dudes, man up or something. Dryuu had to PM me on FF.net to get me on here, not the Admins, not a mod, DRYUU who eventually became a crybaby and left cause he 'wasnt getting many weveiws'. Yes, I did spell reveiws wrong. Also, I have to point a finger at Jb, our 'beloved' admin who cant even keep himself on the computer for more then two weeks straight without getting his ass grounded. His attitude shows me that he's basically saying: Oh well, if ADV Inc dies, then it dies. I dont really care. Yet he goes on to say he cares. Sure you do, Jb, sure you do. Also, I point the finger to the 'original' 9 or 10 or whatever the hell it was. Lets see whos still here and whos not: Jb: Gets grounded, barely on and puts all the work on his girlfriend. Great bf, btw. Lara: I know her mom has breast cancer and stuff but seriously, I dont remember a post from her when I first joined. I dont remember anything about her. XAOTL: Good poster and stuff, but I havent seen him do anything admin-wise YET. Matkin: I...dont even remember what he did. He barely posts now. Lord Vutax: Retired member, I dont remember much from him either. Bbbstrwbrry: Prolly the only one who posts, though she doesnt do much as a Global Mod (sorry Ally. =P) Great choice in original staff there, Jb. Arent they all dedicated!? [/sarcasm] And heres the rest of the staff that were eventually chosen: AA: Sure, she does stuff. But she accused me of wrongfully causing that stupid Taylor Swift/Joe Bro thing. The WHOLE thing. Plus, shes Jb's cyber girl, of course shes on here, of course. Praetor: ...where the hell is he? Rob: Prolly the ONLY good staff member here. WolfofDoom: Please see Praetors. TheDarkFiddler: ...Really what DOES he do anymore? NarutoNinja44: Sure, I havent been the best mod. Ima pretty laid back, but hell, I brought this place to life in March 08. And I fraggin post. Again, GREAT STAFF PICKS Jb. GREAT. So in conclusion, Ima sick of Jb and his attitude, Ima sick of false accusations and only 3 threads working. Ima sick of this and I hope this thread has woken some of the older members up to see how peopel have really elt this place go. One person cant keep a city going, and that goes the same for forums. Thanks for hearing my rant. Thank you and Good night. I see your point. Having an inactive and/or crappy staff is one of the problems a forum must avoid in order to stay healthy. But, the reason why this forum is failing is not because of the staff. Think about it. Why does Matkin post more often on BGMF than he does here? Why doesn't half those members post here anymore? Why did LV really retire? Reason: They all gave up on this forum. All of these members you've listed here who doesn't post used to be very active and some did advertise this forum, and worked on projects for members to participate in. So, why does this forum still have so few members? Why is it dying? why did more than half the staff leave completely? My point is, this forum is the same old, shitty, bland crap you can see in thousands of other proboards that have fallen before us. The Staff can advertise and post all they want. It will only fail if the forum has nothing new to offer. When a potential member comes to this place, their going to weigh wether or not this forum will be worth their time by their first impression. If it's the same thing they've seen in the last forum they've been too, or it looks boring and non-interesting, then they won't sign up. And when members won't sign up, sooner or later the Staff and the members who bothered to sign up and post will eventually give up, grow bored of the site, and leave. This is how most proboards ultimately will end. Look at this site: themusebunny.proboards.com/index.cgiSee how beautiful it is? See the little board thingy on the left with navigation, contests winners, random drabble, quotes, and a MEMBER OF THE MONTH!? See the way the creator cleverly designed the forum and it's strong advertisement system? See how unique it is? And all of the active discussion? Now compare that board to ours and other typical proboard sites. See my point? JB did not pick wrong choices..T'm pretty sure they all was at their strongest actively when this board first started. Trying to bring in new members through advertisements and fun projects. They just failed because the Staff and most of the members are such linear thinkers with no abstract imaginations to make this place more marketable. When they saw their efforts were for naught, they grow bored, and eventually will leave. One by one. What we need to do, is make this forum differient and better than the other forums somehow. The non-innovativeness is the real reason as to why this forum is failing. Not the staff. Also... Uuum, what does this have to do with our problem again? Ahem, first of all, Nikky wants to point out that the whole point of this is thread is about the ADMINS and STAFF. This has nothing to do with the site and how its dying. Yea, sure this COULD be about the site dying, but its not, so start a different thread to revive it please. Because, this for fucking sure, it probably the ONE topic I want to keep on track. . ^ yeah, what the tourettes chick said. -headdesk- -headdesk- -headdesk- -headdesk- -headdesk- -headdesk- This isnt this site about being on 'death row' or about how ADVS is gone! You all missed my point of this whole thing! what Ima saying in this is NOT on how we're off-topic, its NOT on how ADV Inc's dying, its NOT about most of the things you all have said! What I have been saying is that our staff suck. Yes, I know Ima a staff. I dont care. We suck at promoting this place. What in the hell are you guys talking about? If this has nothing to do with the forum and how it's dying, then why post this sorry thread to begin with? AA, Rob, Ash-y, WERE on point because this does has to deal tih the stability of the forum. I don't care if Nicole posted a tl;dr basically saying "lolz teh Staff suckz". She posted it because the site was dying, and those three were correct in addressing that issue. Title: "What the hell happened to ADV Inc?" Isn't this a question? AA, Rob, and Ashy-y answered it, and yet they're wrong because it has nothing to do with point Nicole trying to make? What kind of logic is that? Ally, Manda please atop bandwagoning, and Nicole stop talking bullshit. I don't care what your point is, I'm going to answer the question you've apparently only had the ballz to post. Regardless of your point and your answer to the question. "What the hell happened to ADV Inc?"Yeah. This thread has nothing to do with the stability of the forum. What mark? All I'm seeing is uncohesive arguments that makes little sense. Lol, says the one who keeps getting grounded herself. So it all up to him now? Just because he's the main admin? Please, back at NF, Tazmo, the main admin barely ever posts and the only members who complained to him were dumbassess who actually paid to get free anime from his scam of a site. Actually, he did. He's just attacking your argument. The only one I'm seeing here whose not getting points is you. No, what I'm doing is correlating MY point to YOUR point. Even though we do have different points, in the end, one point leads into another, and while you may be looking at it from one perspective, you need the whole picture to get an accurate description. I'm not even going to explain as to why this is worng. Lol, didn't you just call yourself and the rest of the Staff incompetent in your opening post? So what? I've seen Vbulletins fail plenty of times before for the same reasons I've listed above. And I've seen some freeweb sites that has done way better than some boards you have to pay for. You're missing JB's point. He was saying instead of crying and whining in the opening post about the Staff, you could have given them some suggestions for them to improve. I have another point to make, regarding the ratio of Mods/Admins to actual active members. Look up at the Pokepallooza!! site thing. Click it. You'll find a baron, desolate place where a forum used to be. Why did it die? I made my boyfriend co-admin. and like ALL of my best friends mods. Not saying I wish I hadn't, because after all, I only made the place for kicks. But dude, my forum did die, and quickly and painfully so. Why? Again, I repeat, repeat repeat, repeat repeat, repeat repeat, repeat repeat, repeat, repeat: Too many mods!Fix this issue first, delete the rest of the innactive accounts. It's a start at least. >.o Too much Staff had nothing to do with why your forum failed. You have to remember the Staff are members of your forum too.who can post like any other normal member can. Your forum was just boring and non-inventive, that's why it failed. Two wrongs don't make a right. No offense, but the only ones I'm seeing who are being complete dumbassess here aren't the people whose not seeing your point. What suggestions? The only suggestion I saw was from Manda, and we already delete non-active members before. The rest were just dumb posts complaining about how much the Staff sucks.
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Post by Ally on Sept 10, 2009 9:20:23 GMT 12
MY. GOD. Get the damned topic straight. This is about MORE then how "the staff sucks" and shoe. This is more about how the Staff should work together as a WHOLE to GET more members, and MAKE the place better. At, the absolute beginning, before anyone even JOINED the forum, besides me, Jb, and XAOTL, I was "in the loop" per say. I knew what was going on with the forum, and I was aware of any projects and such that were going on. Now, lets fast forward to today shall we? Today, I am completely out of the loop, and have no idea about any projects that are going on. Today, I feel like I may as well not even BE apart of the staff because NO ONE seems to inform me about what the hell is going on. So, I don't even bother posting/creating new threads/checking etc. Also, I have been looking around PokeFriends or whatever that new forum that we affilated with is, and apparently Jb's cooking up a new site, Rob's gonna be an admin and someones gonna pay for a new forum. Atleast that is what I can gather. So, what I would like is for someone who is actually "in the loop" to inform the REST of the staff, so we can make choices as A STAFF. Which we aren't doing at this moment. Correct? See, isn't this what the "Mod's Only" board is for? So the admins, and mods, that HAVE ideas and suggestions can post and the STAFF as a freaking whole can make a descision for the better of the board. Instead of creating little "cliques" and keeping the STAFF out of the group. EDIT: Plus, its not even like we have a "well put together" staff. Now it seems like titles of honor that Jb likes to give out when people log on a lot, and such. Not about people who he KNOWS will do the forum some good and do some modding/advertising/do something. Like really, if you look at our current staff, look at how many FREAKING members are mods. (Yes, I know I'm restating what has already been said, but its apart of the argument ) So yea, the thread is NOT about how the site is dying ol' Timmy, its about how the STAFF is not working as a STAFF. How no one seems to like letting everyone know about what the hell is going on. [/rant over]
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Post by JbstormburstADV on Sept 10, 2009 10:04:07 GMT 12
Well, I would let the staff know what I've been planning, and I will admit, I do need to let the others know what I'm planning, but this is the indirect reason I can't tell anyone and everyone; in the end, someone is going to complain about it, saying how it was better than before and all that jazz, and that same person will offer NO constructive criticism.
Ally, I don't have that many problems with you and Manda right now, considering you are actually giving some constructive advice, and I do agree with you guys to a point. Why? Because, as I've said before, I can't trust myself to trust others fully, and that's why I like to develop a project for a while before I tell the entire staff; that way, I won't have many distractions.
But really, Tim's post got me interested in this rhetoric question; what ARE the signs of a dying board? Well, you pointed out one, at that is the lack of staff cooperation most of the tiime. Tim pointed out another, and that was the loss of inspiration for good ideas. Finally, the third one that's been pointed out by someone, namely myself and Timmy, is the pure existance of a thread such as this.
And I don't make members staff due to their actual achievements on the board. In fact, remember, I didn't give a word as to some of the staff becoming staff! For example, I remember a_f made someone a staff member (not to play the blame game, but to show my point). Not to mention that all the staff were with me FROM the start, minus a_f-chan for obvious reasons. So, know what the heck you're talking about before you say it.
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Post by Ally on Sept 10, 2009 10:17:38 GMT 12
Well this is what happens when you don't inform the staff, people start pointing fingers. Is it because you are afraid this will happen? Well, to late. And also, if you are so afraid to "trust" yourself then maybe you should stop telling OTHER people -cough, cough a_a and rob- before you tell us, YOUR STAFF. UGH. Why MUST you guys keep bringing up the fact that the forum is dying. ITS BEEN DYING DAMNIT >.O. However, THIS thread is not about the forum dying, its about how the staff is having troubles cooperating, so if you DO have something to say ABOUT the forum dying, make a different thread, in the Suggestions board or whatever, and discuss it there, because that is not the main topic. AND if you need clarification maybe Nikky should change the thread name.
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Post by timoteyo7 on Sept 10, 2009 10:23:41 GMT 12
MY. GOD. Get the damned topic straight. This is about MORE then how "the staff sucks" and shoe. This is more about how the Staff should work together as a WHOLE to GET more members, and MAKE the place better. I did get the topic, which is this: "What the hell happened to ADV Inc?". And I answered the question, if Nicole actually knew how to make a decent thread that makes sense she would have typed something similar to this: "Why I think ADV is dying" THEN it would be have been more appropriate to discuss her view on the situation and whether we agreed or disagreed with it. Unfortunately, the ruler of all and any universes failed to do such a thing, and instead imposed a question that all of ADV would be able to answer and discuss each others views. Why am I supposed to abide to one point made of fail that I severely disagree with? I can give rats ass as to what Nicole was trying to say. I responded to her question, I disagreed with her answer and put my view on the situation. The question is the topic, not Nicole's opinion. If it was meant to be that way, then she seriously explained it poorly. The argument you're making is fail anyway. Lots of foums I've been to had Admins working on projects behind the staff backs or with a few good trusted people. Like buying servers or creating a wiki and yet thier forums are still very effecient and active. I am telling you now, the Staff has little to do with why this forum is failing That's not my problem. I see what you're trying to say, but do you know what any other sensible Staff member actually does when they're out of the "loop"? They communicate instead of just waiting around like a lost puppy to be called on. Have you ever thought of asking JB or Rob what sup instead of just gathering information yourself? Why didn't you just make a thread in the Staff section regarding the plans for the site? Try to talk to each other instead of being a careless sloth. If I was in JB or Robs shoes, I probably wouldn't inform you either. Why? You stated it yourself: They probably think you just don't care since you barely post in the forum your supposed to care about. As much as I disagree with Nicole's answer, she was on the money with the incompetent staff part. If only she explained it better. Then why in the world were you waiting just for Nicole to make some crazy thread to point this out? If you felt this way then why are we just hearing this from you. Simply post in the staff section, and bitch them to there. You do know that plenty of other forums do this, right? If they are a model member of the forum (Hell I've seen BAD members get modded), post a lot they get modded. In your case, you were modded because JB needed staff in the beggining and knew you. Yes it is, Allikens. If this forum was booming with members or at least still active, Nicole would have NEVER addressed this issue with a "WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO ADV INC?" thread. Cause and Effect 101, Allikens.
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Post by thedarkfiddler on Sept 10, 2009 11:24:40 GMT 12
Keep it to the argument guys, don't bring personal lives into it.
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Post by timoteyo7 on Sept 10, 2009 11:31:59 GMT 12
Keep it to the argument guys, don't bring personal lives into it. Thank you Spencer, but I really don't mind. That just shows that Ally gave up. And I already knew someone was going to say I'm only arguring against Nicole because I'm mad at her for dumping me. Predictable. :zaru:
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Post by narutoninja44 on Sept 10, 2009 11:39:42 GMT 12
Yo, Tim. If you honestly, want a full on explanation why I dumped you, get your ass on MSN or PM me. Seriously, dont take this out on Ally or any of my friends if your gonna be a jackass and bring in personal lives. :zaru:
Back to the topic:
The problem is the staff. Should I change the topic name for yall just so you understand? I'll sum up my argument cause Ima too tired and happy to argue much today: Jb put on too many mods and staff then he needed too. He basically gave the power out like it was free sample day at a supermarket. Too many staff intimidates people, when I first joined forums at like, 12, I was intimidated by the numbers of staff. We have too many staff and too many dead-threads.
@ The suggestions: I have given suggestions before. Remember the roleplaying section I thought of? Remember the shoutbox I suggested when the chatroom failed? I've given tons of suggestions, people just dont know how to do their research. :zaru:
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Post by timoteyo7 on Sept 10, 2009 12:10:02 GMT 12
Yo, Tim. If you honestly, want a full on explanation why I dumped you, get your ass on MSN or PM me. Seriously, dont take this out on Ally or any of my friends if your gonna be a jackass and bring in personal lives. Um, first of all. Ally was the one who mentioned you dumping me first, hence why Spence had to intervene, and I have never brought that into any of my arguments against you or Ally. If I am wrong, please look through my posts and find it for me. If you think that I am mad, then you are wrong whether you believe it or not. I just found your argument to be silly, and I kinda always wanted to point out this forum wasn't much different from the rest. I'll come to MSN and ask you though. I was curious at the time, since you were so vague about it. Sigh, how many times am I going to have go up against this tired argument? How is having too many Staff intimidating? How does that effect the overall quality of the forum? The problem is not the staff, this forum needs innovativeness. See the forum in my post above for an example. Oh, and you were just a 12 year old girl. I honestly don't see how you can be intimidated by a group of anonymous (if they choose to be) members that you will probably never meet in your life. regardless of age. Knowing you were such a wimp back then makes me wish I joined this forum when it first started even more. Fair enough. I figured you were talking about suggestions people made in this thread. I don't remember the RP section being thought of by you. I most likely wasn't a member at the time.
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Post by Midnightmoon602 on Sept 11, 2009 2:44:10 GMT 12
Ughh, such long post and a ramble, well i can't say much since i haven't been here as long as most and i can't say anything about the admins and how they do their stuff.
But i mean they can't do their roles often because of what a small site this is and its limited online members that come on here. most of them know the rules and SOME decided to break them but that rarely happens. so i guess they kinda slack off of the admin duty because the ones that stay here know the rules and are have friends here.
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Post by Matkin22 on Oct 29, 2009 12:48:34 GMT 12
I've seen my name dragged in this discussion quite a few times, so I just want to clarify a few things on my position. I can't speak for anyone else, but hopefully this will at least explain why I am rarely around as of late.
Firstly, University has taken away a LOT of my free time. When I have free time, I write. When I have time to write, I take some time to post too. If you note, my updates started to become far more infrequent in December 2007. The reason? It was the final push in high school before University and I needed good grades. I didn't have time to write anymore, let alone do much posting. Summer was no better, since I was working flat out to save up enough money to actually go to school. And then, beginning last September, I pretty much dropped off the face of the Earth; including on BMGf. It's only been within the last month or so that I've finally found time to write and be online again.
Speaking of BMGf, I noticed one person (can't remember who) asking why I'm so much more active on BMGf than here. The answer? I'm not. If you check my posts from the last 8-10 months on there (just go into the history), you'll see that I barely posted at all in that time frame. I could probably count on two hands the number of days I posted. So please, lets do some research before throwing things out there. The reason my post count is so much higher there than here? Probably because I was a member of BMGf for a far longer time than I have been here (almost two years, I think). Even my time on Wikipedia suffered considerably.
As for why I am a mod at all? I really don't know, but if you feel I'm not worth the position then I will gladly hand those reins in. Besides initiating the ADVpedia (which failed because nobody other than me was creating or editing articles, despite creating a whole sub-board for everyone to see and use), I haven't done anything remotely moddy besides the occassional posting. I've never had cause to use any of my privileges, because that speaks about the quality of most of the members. Personally I think Jb gave me the position in those early days to make amends for a spat we'd had some time before.
And finally, like all people I have my ups and downs when it comes to Shipping. LuciferIX does too, I know, and when you're not particularly interested in a franchise or a ship at one point in time, you're probably less likely to go to a franchise or shipping site.
To sum up: when I have time to visit and post, I visit and post. I can't do anything more; University is my master now, not the internet.
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