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Post by Elite4James on Mar 15, 2008 11:28:15 GMT 12
James, the pokemon regions were based off of regions in Japan, but the pokemon regions are not all next to each other. They are an ocean's distance apart. Basically, the pokemon world is a larger version of OUR world. The creators just took regions of Japan, and spread them all over the place. Do you have evidence to support this claim of yours? You cannot just say stuff like this without some form of back up. Without evidence you won't convince anyone in the slightest. And just to correct you, Kanto and Johto are right next to each other as Route 28 connects the Kanto Region to Mount Silver, which is in the Johto Region. Hoenn is an island, but it is basically, Kyuushuu rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise. Sinnoh too is said to be an island, due to its geographical similarity to the island of Hokkaido in the real world's Japan, even though the game map makes you think it is a Peninsula. If Kanto and Johto (both based off of the real Kanto Region and Kansai Region of Japan) are right next to each other in real life, then it is also safe to assume that both Sinnoh and Hoenn are in their same respective geographical locations. You also cannot ignore things such as real world Pokedex references like the following: - Parasect's Pokemon Stadium Pokedex Data: "The bug host is controlled by the mushrooms that scatter poisonous spores. The spores are sometimes used as medicine in China."- In Pokemon Red and Blue if you read the research papers in Cinnabar Mansion, you see the Mew was discovered in Guyana, South America. Mew's Pokemon Stadium Pokedex Data: "A mythical Pokémon of South America. A growing number of people have seen it recently."- Multiple Poliwrath Pokedex entries mention the Pacific Ocean: Pokemon Gold and Stadium 2: "This strong and skilled swimmer is even capable of crossing the Pacific Ocean just by kicking.Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire: "Poliwrath's highly developed, brawny muscles never grow fatigued, however much it exercises. It is so tirelessly strong, this Pokémon can swim back and forth across the Pacific Ocean without effort."Pokemon Emerald: "Its highly developed muscles never grow fatigued, however much it exercises. This Pokémon can swim back and forth across the Pacific Ocean without effort."Pokemon Diamond and Pearl: "With its extremely tough muscles, it can keep swimming in the Pacific Ocean without resting."Xatu's Pokedex information makes references to South America: Pokemon Silver and Fire Red: "In South America, it is said that its right eye sees the future and its left eye views the past."Gastly's Pokedex info from Pokemon Fire Red states: "A being that exists as a thin gas. It can topple an Indian elephant by enveloping the prey in two seconds."If the above is anything to go by it is safe to assume the real world would correlate with the Pokemon world and therefore it is safe to assume that geographically the two worlds would be similar. And that's not just restricted to Pokemon: Fantina is assumed to be from France due to how she speaks to the Player character before battling, "Ohohoho!! Finally, you have arrived! Since I came to this country, always I try to learn new things. They hold Contests in this city? I say to myself, enfin, I will excel. That's why I dress this way. C'est une performance! Also I study Pokémon very much. I have come to be Gym Leader. And, uh, so it shall be that you challenge me. But I shall win. That's what a Gym Leader does, non?"Lt. Surge is also stated to be from the United States. The fame checker in Pokemon Fire Red and Leaf Green states the following: " What does this person do?
Vermilion City Pokémon Gym Leader: Lt. Surge The Lightning American!" " " In the Japanese version he is credited as, "エレクトリックアメリカンジムリーダー." Which translates as, 'Electric American Gym Leader'. If anything, this evidence appears to prove the contrary that the Pokemon world is closer to the real world than we think. Geographical locations especially. With this in mind it is not foolish to assume that countries are in their same geographical locations and this includes Pokemon regions within Japan.
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Post by LuciferIX on Mar 15, 2008 11:57:34 GMT 12
Take it easy James, you might have gone a little overboard. While Praetor may have come on a little hard, we don't need to get into a major fight over this. There is no doubt that the regions of Pokemon are based off of the Japanese regions, but the rest of the world is still unclear. While there is evidence that it would be close to the real world (as you have stated), there is no solid proof. The only regions that we know the distance between, and somewhat relative locations, are Kanto and Johto. Both you and Praetor have arguments over something that there is no true proof of, so we don't know exactly if each is true and thus there will be variation on what someone believes is correct.
I think that we should either lay this topic to rest or put it into its own thread (might be a short one but its an idea nonetheless). Either way the point that May traveled a good distance to join up with Ash again has been stated, by both of you. The only real difference is the possible distance traveled for said reunion.
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Post by Vurtax on Mar 15, 2008 13:03:52 GMT 12
Oh thanks for mentioning that James, i forgot that the pokemon world is basically earth with pokemon. I thought i made a mistake when i mentioned actual geographical locations in my "Soni Royale" fic.
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Post by dryuu01 on Mar 15, 2008 15:10:37 GMT 12
One of the hints that I don't think has been mentioned yet is the fact that May stopped by Ash's house in Kanto right after Hoenn. Now, as I recall, May dropped by Ash's house in a surprise visit; apparently without much reason either, unless of course, it is because she wants to stay with Ash a little longer. You forgot something from that scene. When Ash and May are talking(plus smiling) at each other when discussing their plans, Delia looked over at them, and blushed, seeing how close the two are.
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Post by Wolfofdoom on Mar 15, 2008 15:41:56 GMT 12
Gotta side with James on this Debate\
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Post by LuciferIX on Mar 15, 2008 15:51:06 GMT 12
I do as well, its just that we should leave the debating for that board. This was going to get a bit too off topic.
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Post by Elite4James on Mar 15, 2008 16:41:57 GMT 12
I didn't mean to sound aggressive or anything, that wasn't my intention at all. Maybe I did labor the point too much. So yeah, sorry about that guys.
All I wanted to originally do was point out that it would have taken May a lot of effort to travel to Pallet Town if the Pokemon World is Geographically similar to the real world. I didn't expect to be corrected without evidence. I guess that's why I went off on a tangent.
I'm sorry to derail this topic and/or if I offended anyone. It was not my intention.
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Post by LuciferIX on Mar 15, 2008 17:31:02 GMT 12
Don't worry about it, I just wanted to try and keep anything from really building up. But like I said earlier, you both basically proved that it isn't just a short trip from Kanto to Hoenn.
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Post by Praetor on Mar 15, 2008 18:12:33 GMT 12
...James, I wasn't trying to oppose you. We are on the same side of the argument. It was a misunderstanding.
I also believe that the pokemon world somehow fits in with our world. Meowth did mention that he lived in Hollywood, California before.
My point is that a few continents or countries may have to shift around to make room for the pokemon regions. Which were based off of the Japanese islands.
This is my quote; maybe this was what caused the confusion. The world would have to be a bit bigger to accommodate the pokemon regions.
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Post by Elite4James on Mar 15, 2008 20:52:06 GMT 12
Yeah it really was a misunderstanding that's all. It also comes down to convenience when it comes to writing for episodes and such.
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Post by Vurtax on Mar 16, 2008 2:56:51 GMT 12
That eppy where Meowth was flashbacking his past when he learned to talk? That was Hollywood?
I felt like you had A Xaotl moment James when you brought up all that evidence.
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Post by JbstormburstADV on Mar 16, 2008 4:07:02 GMT 12
Totally agreed here, but bring the debating elsewhere, OK.
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Post by Praetor on Mar 16, 2008 7:28:43 GMT 12
Don't worry about it; the argument is over now. If there would be any future argument, it would probably be in the debates thread, not here. The arguments are taking up too much space in this thread; it makes it difficult to find actual Advanceshipping hints.
We should argue against our own evidence in the debate thread, so that we can patch up our weak spots before the other ships point it out.
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Post by LuciferIX on Mar 16, 2008 8:36:00 GMT 12
Of course it would be a little harder because we believe in a lot of that evidence. But that isn't a bad idea Praetor.
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Post by Vurtax on Mar 16, 2008 23:36:27 GMT 12
I say the first post should have the evidence list. that way anyone can look it up
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