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Post by Wolfofdoom on Feb 22, 2008 16:52:41 GMT 12
Actually you do have a point there.
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Post by LuciferIX on Feb 22, 2008 17:32:02 GMT 12
He and Giovanni are the two best candidates out of the introduced characters. But Silver is the more likely of the two.
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Post by XAOTL on Feb 23, 2008 8:25:12 GMT 12
Actually in the manga (haven't seen) it apparently has Geovanni as his father.
But other than that the threat from Pokeshipping, can originate form the fact that they have the largest shipping base out there, and the fact that they beleve it is probably one-sided cannon already.
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Post by Elite4James on Feb 23, 2008 8:57:42 GMT 12
Actually in the manga (haven't seen) it apparently has Geovanni as his father. If that was the case in the Anime, then theoretically Ash would have a half brother as well, the red haired rival from Johto. But I still think it's most likely Silver in the Anime. They should have the two of them meet in the show. But other than that the threat from Pokeshipping, can originate form the fact that they have the largest shipping base out there, and the fact that they beleve it is probably one-sided cannon already. It is the first ship. It grows out of loyalty. In most respects I am going to assume most of you started watching when the AG series begun, at least I think that would be the case for the younger members here and younger advanceshippers in general. Most pokeshippers are older than advanceshippers (a trend I tend to notice on BMGF, which may be why they dislike what they call 'gaki' aamayl shippers). They treat them like punk kids. I admit there are a lot of stabs in the dark when it comes to posting aamayl support hints and because they're older they can shoot them down with ease. Remember it is not the quantity of hints but the quality of hints that really matters. I am probably the oldest member here, but I too believe Advanceshipping is the better ship out of all of them and that is why I am not threatened by Pokeshipping or Contestshipping or Pearlshipping. Because I believe it was very genuine and has a lot of potential for development and growth.
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Post by Wolfofdoom on Feb 23, 2008 9:07:08 GMT 12
I also think that being one of the oldwer members here the main reason Pokeshippers are still around is because they believe it has something to do with the fact that she is the first girl he meets.
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Post by Elite4James on Feb 23, 2008 9:14:51 GMT 12
You're right there, in a lot of cases with most 'ships, it's loyalty that drives it.
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Post by Wolfofdoom on Feb 24, 2008 16:45:54 GMT 12
Same could be said for us the only thing is that our ship has a lot of evidence behind it.
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Post by Praetor on Feb 24, 2008 17:57:47 GMT 12
That is also not one - sided.
I did not start watching pokemon during the Hoenn series.
I am also part of the older generation who started watching pokemon back when Ash was in Kanto. I remember first hearing of pokemon when I was in first grade: 1998 - 1999. And I began watching it some time later.
But that does not make me a pokeshipper. Back when I was in elementary school, I saw Misty more of a surrogate parent figure along with Brock; rather than a potential fiance.
Anyways, after some time of watching pokemon, I stopped, and I missed almost the rest of the Kanto and Johto season.
When I saw pokemon again, I had missed the beginning of Hoenn too, and I had no idea of who May or Max was. After some research, though, I finally caught up with the show. I didn't watch all of the episodes, though. I was able to watch parts of Hoenn here and there, and almost the entire Battle Frontier series.
After that, I began to watch all the episodes after Battle Frontier. Well, at least as much as I can.
Although, I miss the show for some time, that does not mean that I was not caught up with the games. I played the games, but missed most of the show. I knew that May existed in the game, but not in the show.
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Post by Wolfofdoom on Feb 24, 2008 19:19:52 GMT 12
Hey like you I'm an original fan. I was there from episode 1. I just never Saw Ash and Misty hooking up. Anyway you seem to be miscomnstruing what we are saying. We aren't saying all originals are pokeshippers as if it was true then I'd be one. As you can tell I'm not. I'm saying that Pokeshipping just has a loyal fanbase
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Post by LuciferIX on Feb 25, 2008 9:11:14 GMT 12
It is the first ship. It grows out of loyalty. In most respects I am going to assume most of you started watching when the AG series begun, at least I think that would be the case for the younger members here and younger advanceshippers in general. Most pokeshippers are older than advanceshippers (a trend I tend to notice on BMGF, which may be why they dislike what they call 'gaki' aamayl shippers). They treat them like punk kids. I admit there are a lot of stabs in the dark when it comes to posting aamayl support hints and because they're older they can shoot them down with ease. Remember it is not the quantity of hints but the quality of hints that really matters. I am probably the oldest member here, but I too believe Advanceshipping is the better ship out of all of them and that is why I am not threatened by Pokeshipping or Contestshipping or Pearlshipping. Because I believe it was very genuine and has a lot of potential for development and growth. Well just as a side note I'm willing to bet that I could contend with the oldest one here, and considering we were born on the same day it only depends on the year. But beyond that, I would also be an original watcher from episode 1. Except that I saw every episode through the middle of Hoenn before losing some interest. And again, like a few others here, I am also saying that Misty was more like a sibling or guidance toward Ash and not anything beyond that. Although I didn't originally look at May as much of anything in those lines at first either. But when I discovered the actual shippings and looked through them to figure out which one that seemed to make sense, Ash and May just seemed a logical choice. Looking back on everything made me actually see what I stated above. And while Pokeshipping would definitly be considered one-sided cannon at one time, its not necessary now. With Ash being away from her for that amount of time, Misty has most likely moved on with her little crush. But the current Pokeshippers are very loyal to the shipping, and its the fact that they still want those two to hook up that they don't even consider the other factors that have appeared in the show since Misty's departure.
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Post by Wolfofdoom on Feb 25, 2008 10:17:14 GMT 12
Exactly not to mention that they look past the fact that over half of their ships hints are dub-added.
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Post by Elite4James on Feb 25, 2008 10:28:08 GMT 12
@ Luciferix: Wow, we really do have the same birthday, cool! As for the year, you're born the same year as my younger sister... Let's just say, I'm about a year older than Archaic on BMGF. Yeah, I'm an old guy.
Like you I see Advanceshipping as a choice based on potential logic. Not every Advanceshipping hint is solid, but they're apparent and that's what matters. Contestshipping may seem more obvious and Pokeshipping may be the first in line, but Advanceshipping just has so much potential and millions of reasons as to why it could be successful, even moreso than others. May might like Drew, who knows. She might even go out with him. But if she was to see Ash again, I am sure there'd be some form of attraction between the two, they had so much in common. Drew and May have very little in common so I don't see it lasting were it ever to happen (I shudder to think about it). If you look at the girls and Ash in an age tier it'd be something like this, I think:
Misty Ash / May Dawn
Misty was older and really did seem like a big sister who doted on and argued with her little brother a lot. Dawn seems more like a younger sister, because she started her journey way after Ash began his and the gap in experience between Dawn and Ash serves to reinforce the idea that Dawn is younger than Ash. I know age isn't everything, my mother is two years older than my father, but in most instances two characters in relationships are roughly the same age.
I feel we're becoming the same way since May's departure. It's hard that she's not around, which is why a lot of people have become Pearlshippers, they're looking for those hints. They're not fans of the pairing, rather the idea of pairing Ash with someone. I'm sure the same thing would happen if Ash traveled with Marina from Johto or Leaf from Kanto (the FR/LG girl).
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Post by Praetor on Feb 25, 2008 11:43:52 GMT 12
^ ...And contestshippers too, since May has departed to Johto.
The same could be said for some of the contestshippers.
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Post by LuciferIX on Feb 25, 2008 12:18:12 GMT 12
It could be said for people from nearly every shipping. Some people just want the hints and don't care as much about the couple in particular. I remember saying this in some other thread at some point, but it does bring up a few questions.
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Post by Elite4James on Feb 25, 2008 12:18:14 GMT 12
A simple yet effective counter to contestshippers is that May never said she was going to travel with Drew. Her decision was influenced by Drew, Harley and Solidad's decisions to compete there and also her desire to gain independence and become stronger. The simple fact that we don't know what is going on in Johto is a stalemate for either side of the arguments, because no one knows.
The other thing is, I am sure if May was traveling with say, Jimmy from the Johto region. Then some people would warm to a pairing between them and contestshipping would gain another rival, and questshipping would gain its first serious rival. This is just an example of how some fans adapt and change depending on situation.
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