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Post by Praetor on Jun 5, 2008 16:42:50 GMT 12
That can be done through psykers, and on a large scale too.
The Daleks won't have immunity in their first several encounters with psykers.
The Imperium would know all about the Daleks by the first encounter. The psyker would simply read the Dalek's mind and seeing that the Daleks are such a threat, he/she will put the Dalek under control. Once under mind control, they can send the Dalek to the Adeptus Mechanicus, who are capable of analyzing time traveling technology and the superweapon.
Processing tons upon tons of information is partly why the techpriest of that institution are more machine than man.
They are equipped with implants such as the one below to understand and process information. Of course, there are probably even more implants that makes the techpriests and the Daleks equal in processing information.
Using the information about time travel, the techpriests could replicate the technology that would be friendly to the machine spirit that it houses. (Which, as you recall, can be called upon to disable the machine that it is upset with)
The Daleks could create their own psykers, but learning to use those powers are a whole other thing.
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Post by XAOTL on Jun 5, 2008 20:30:37 GMT 12
But seeing as the Dalek is of superior intellect psychic abilities would have minimal if any ability (like psychic papers lack of effect on level one psychics in torchwood), even on the first encounter. If I remember correctly there was on case where a psychic attempted to get through a Daleks mind, but couldn't. for a psyker, seeing a mind made out of nothing but hatred, filled with the great knowledge of the Daleks, would be too much.
As well as the Daleks memory banks which would be too much for a tech priest to handle. like installing vista in the first ever computer, they won't be able to handle it. Even the Cybermen are nearly completely machine, and were seen as nothing more than dirt by the Daleks.
actually Daleks are already psychic. the way they fly is done by psychic abilities, they also used a psychic weapon to turn an entire planet insane.
Besides, the Daleks could exterminate all life in the Milky way in an instant, by simply using the Apocalypse element, without having to even meet the imperium. Job done.
At their peak they had a 7 galaxy empire, and could move between them with ease, whilst not relying on the warp like the imperium.
If needs be they can move planets, yes they can pilot planets.
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Post by Praetor on Jun 6, 2008 17:22:33 GMT 12
This would probably be enough to kill the Imperium. The techpriests could take apart the Dalek's memory piece by piece. The Daleks would beat the Imperium only for the reason you listed. BUT, they would fall to another force that the Imperium could beat. I should have listed Chaos as one of the choices. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_%28Warhammer%29
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Post by XAOTL on Jun 6, 2008 22:11:57 GMT 12
The reason above is the 'no nonsense' method. there are many others.
For one Daleks are incorruptible, as they are already single minded, and have no desire. any attempt at temptation will only result in expansion of the Dalek empire. Daleks do not work alongside other beings. They exterminate them, or make them into slaves. Unlike humans who do question a Dalek was not created to question his objective.
If the imperium could beat them why haven't they? In fact the Imperium are already over extended, in one galaxy where the Daleks at one point had control of 7 Galaxy's.
If the first meeting between the two factions is between regular soldiers it would pan out quite simply:
Space marine opens fire. Fire fails against shields Dalek advances. Space Marines continues fire. Dalek already has the intelligence of subject analyzed, species analyzed. Space marine exterminated. Intelligence of the subject is taken. Have knowledge of the Imperium in general, as well as the other races. Daleks mount an offensive, whilst the Imperium is none the wiser.
slightly over the top but when you see how a standard soldier for the Daleks is a tank, super computer, Psychic, time traveler. and more.
besides they also have: Ships where A single ship is capable of cracking open a planet like an egg. When fighting the Time Lords, they had 10 Million Ships (in their main fleet). The Ships contain over 2000 Daleks on each one. The Daleks' bombs somehow reshape continents.
The Daleks would easily destroy the Milky way. As long as the Time lords don't get in the way.
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Post by Praetor on Jun 7, 2008 16:01:59 GMT 12
But you did mention that the Daleks that DO question their "primary reason for existence" either suicide or are killed. Since the Daleks can question their reason for existence, then they are vulnerable to Chaos. There is no way to kill Chaos. You can only send the entities back to the warp. The entities of the warp are reflected on emotion. Because the only emotion the Daleks possess is hate, this entity will exist and benefit from it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KhorneThe Imperium is constantly fighting against many foes at once: Chaos (one of the biggest problems) Eldar Tau Ork Tyranid Necron Dark Eldar Actually, if the Daleks attack, they are more likely to encounter the Imperial Guard, the main military of the Imperium. It would be more like this. The Imperial Guard spots a salt shaker and open fires on it and the Dalek return fire. The lasers are absorbed by the armor and the Guardsmen retreat (if there is no Commissar nearby) The techpriest comes and briefly analyze the machine spirit of the armor for weakness' All the Guardsmen aim for the eyepiece and fire. And as I have said earlier: The Imperial Guard can use the machine spirit of the Dalek against them even in the first encounter. In later encounters, they would use these: Given how sensitive the eye is, the Imperium would also deploy a Photon Flash Flare. There are also a few other ways to combat the Daleks. Cook the Dalek inside their suit. The Space Marines would try to electrocute them. Use these: The Imperium possesses a number of anti - psychic weaponry to combat the psychic - latent Daleks. The Culexus assassins: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officio_Assassinorum#Culexus_Temple
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Post by XAOTL on Jun 9, 2008 4:21:13 GMT 12
The only occasions at which Daleks have questioned their existance has been once they have been contaminated by humanity as seen in 'dalek', and'Daleks in Manhatten' There is no way a Dalek that is not Genteically modifyed would question. therefore are incorruptable. seeing as the only option is to make sure that they are not Dalek. Therefore Chaos will not be able to corrupt that which is already corrupted.
In both cases The Dalek has either commited suicide or been exterminated.
Other than that the wepons still will not be able to penatrate both armour and shields combined Even the anti-psycic bullets may pass the shields but not the armour. Except for the C'tan phase sword. But that's like fighting a Gun with a sword, not the best of match ups.
The photon Falsh flare. Not exactly deadly. Blind them maybe, but the Eye stalk has a blue filter, taking off most of the damage.
My above scene was beetween a one on one situation. But in a realistic situation, the Daleks would know of the Imperium ages before the Imperium meets the Daleks. Through their agnts i.e. Robomen, the mighty Gagrofest, his predissesor, and to a lesser extent the Pig slaves.
The Daleks are able to control their agents, and kill them when they are comprimised or lose their usefulness.
In the way of Haywire granades. eWell the Biological Dalek is still deadly. Previously bieing sen swallowing a man whole, and bieing able to latch onto a humans face.
any attempt of firing for the eyestalk is like saying that you're going to shoot a tank through the barrel.
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Post by Praetor on Jun 9, 2008 15:48:47 GMT 12
Why not cook the Dalek encased in its armor using melta-weapons? I mentioned it in my last post. Or electrocute them? Can weapons similar to lightsabers destroy the Dalek armor? The C'tan phase sword is used by Callidus assassins for a reason--because assassins were meant to kill their targets undetected. The Daleks still have no way of fighting the Culexus assassins effectively. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Officio_Assassinorum#Culexus_TempleAlso note in that link that Vindicare snipers are very well capable of shooting at the Dalek's eyestalk. Just give them a laser gun. They are not the only people in the Imperium that can shoot the eyestalk, though. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TyranidsIf the Imperium were able to fight off these guys and lived in planets such as this: ...then they are more than capable of handling a Dalek without its armor.
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Post by XAOTL on Jun 22, 2008 8:50:54 GMT 12
The daleks would easily handle that planet. a year there won't be anything left. They won't be beaten by plants. that and every Dalek has its own armour. It's near impossible to find one that will not be in armour. While the imperium are fighting the forests and the wildlife the Daleks would exterminate all.
Seven Galaxys. I'll bet the Daleks have fought opponents tougher than that. with exception to the Timelords who could erase opponents from time and space.
We still have close to no clue of what happened in the time war. apart from little scraps. Nor do we have a lot of information of what the Daleks can do in all out (proper) warfare.
and shooting the eyestalk... thats shoting all of an opponent army in the eye. No matter how many sharpshooters you may have it's inpracticle.
But with the daleks coming back next week lets see what they will have to offer.
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Post by Praetor on Jun 22, 2008 12:12:52 GMT 12
That planet was purposely left like that. The point of settling in such a deadly planet is to be able to recruit tough and strong soldiers from the population who have been hardened from such an enviroment.
We still have anti-psychic weapons; which were designed to kill rogue psychics and creatures made out of psychic energy called daemons (yes, it is spelled that way).
We wait and see what the Daleks will bring along when they return.
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Post by XAOTL on Jul 7, 2008 3:10:34 GMT 12
After seeing the Daleks conquer the Earth. move the Earth to the center of the universe,enslave all of humanity, lock earth within one second that was out of sync with the rest of the universe. all in the span of under 15 minuites.
It's a safe bet that the Daleks would win.
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Post by thedarkfiddler on Jul 7, 2008 6:00:56 GMT 12
I hate to jump in at the middle especially when I don't know if I'm coming back here, but although I support the Daleks in this argument, I have one thing to say:
The Daleks are constantly being beaten by the Doctor, one Time Lord, with a hanbdful of humans helping him. Why wouldn't the Time lords win completely?
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Post by DaveTheFishandChipsGuy on Jul 7, 2008 6:19:30 GMT 12
Because of one very simple fact:
The Time Lords are all dead.
The only surviving Time Lord is the Doctor, though the Master might still be alive.
That is why...
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Post by Praetor on Jul 7, 2008 20:25:16 GMT 12
After seeing the Daleks conquer the Earth. move the Earth to the center of the universe,enslave all of humanity, [glow=yellow,2,300] lock earth within one second that was out of sync with the rest of the universe. all in the span of under 15 minuites.[/glow] It's a safe bet that the Daleks would win. What do you mean by "locking earth out of sync with the universe"?
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Post by thedarkfiddler on Jul 8, 2008 1:12:17 GMT 12
Yeah, I don't know what he means either.
Although, assuming the Time Lords were not extinct (essentially), wouldn't they win.
And what about the Doctor's "daughter". Not a full Time Lord, but....
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Post by XAOTL on Jul 8, 2008 4:19:55 GMT 12
well a spoiler here from the last episodes.
so I suggest you don't read if you havn't watched the episode (and are planning to see it)
Donna: 27 planets, and there's the Earth. But why couldn't we see them? The Doctor: The entire Medusa Cascade has been put a second out of sync with the rest of the universe. Perfect hiding place, little pocket of time; no wonder we couldn't find it.
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