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Post by PokeTrance on May 16, 2008 5:52:44 GMT 12
That positions been taken. Hiroshima Point taken, you're absolutely right. And it's one of the arguments that always comes up when people are debating against US military interference. One thing is for sure, Hiroshima (and not to forget, maybe even worse: Nagasaki) have done a huge amount of damage to the US reputation worldwide, and still do. But, on the other side, people are now well aware of the extremely lethal and unethical use of nuclear weaponry. And for me, that's the only result I like resulting from these events. That's a very good documentary. Thanks for posting this. I'll spread the word about this here in Holland, because such a documentary hasn't been made before. (which I consider a shame, but well, who am I?)
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Post by Elite4James on May 16, 2008 7:01:16 GMT 12
China has lost a lot of international respect due to things such as vetoing International entry to foreign aid workers into cyclone ravaged Burma. And of course, the annexation of Tibet. As cruel as it is to say, the recent earthquake is just adding to the negative karma of China.
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Post by PokeTrance on May 16, 2008 9:41:01 GMT 12
China has lost a lot of international respect due to things such as vetoing International entry to foreign aid workers into cyclone ravaged Burma. And of course, the annexation of Tibet. As cruel as it is to say, the recent earthquake is just adding to the negative karma of China. True. I think the world should take more action against China. Unfortunately, this isn't likely to happen, due to the amount of products being made in China, and the huge influence they have on the American financial market.
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Post by XAOTL on May 18, 2008 1:13:35 GMT 12
At this moment everyone knows about China, and it's powerful future.
Other than that it just seems as if the earthquake has given some rep to China. Their (head of government) has made it to the area to spur on the troops in their rescue efforts. and they seem to be giving a lot of importance to the safety of their people. In this one matter.
I mean there are rumours that they'll invade Taiwan, seeing it as another breakaway state. But just rumours.
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Post by PokeTrance on May 18, 2008 1:23:15 GMT 12
At this moment everyone knows about China, and it's powerful future. Other than that it just seems as if the earthquake has given some rep to China. Their (head of government) has made it to the area to spur on the troops in their rescue efforts. and they seem to be giving a lot of importance to the safety of their people. In this one matter. I mean there are rumours that they'll invade Taiwan, seeing it as another breakaway state. But just rumours. Yeah, China has a bright future... and we're helping them establish that. I think it's a good thing for the common people there, but I doubt their government. I find them dispicable. (correct?) About the help from the Chinese government to the area that suffered from the earthquake: Dutch media say they only do that because huge disasters are seen by the common people in China as a sign of future shift of leadership. And that is definately something those commies don't want ^_^ I don't think they'll invade Taiwan (or Republic of China, as their official name is). It would cause huge problems for China, they are in no position (yet) to do such a thing. But I agree tension is high about this specific topic.
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Post by Praetor on May 18, 2008 6:13:20 GMT 12
At this moment everyone knows about China, and it's powerful future. Other than that it just seems as if the earthquake has given some rep to China. Their (head of government) has made it to the area to spur on the troops in their rescue efforts. and they seem to be giving a lot of importance to the safety of their people. In this one matter.I mean there are rumours that they'll invade Taiwan, seeing it as another breakaway state. But just rumours. See? This proves that we are seeing a change in China's government, slowly but surely. Well, can't you see the issue of letting Tibet succede from China? It would be undermining China's ethnic diversity. Even the Dalai Lama says he does NOT want Tibet to become seperate from China. The reasoning is that it benefits Tibet to become industrialized, and to do that, it needs China.
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Post by JbstormburstADV on May 18, 2008 6:55:21 GMT 12
I remember that from Global, it's from the Mandate of Heaven. Whenever a dynasty is done with, one of the final signs of collaspe is a natural disaster.
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Post by XAOTL on May 18, 2008 7:48:02 GMT 12
Prator. It seems as if the Tebetan people wish for their own personal freedom.
China has provided great industrialistaion and modern facilities to Tibet. Altough it has cost them their culture. It appears as if tibetans value culture highly above any form of modernisation. So even after the Dali lamas requests, the people seem to know what they want, the Dali Lama is a well known man (for good reason), and an inspiriation. But at the end the Tibetan community as a whole have their eyes set on freedom. and it seems that if frredom of culture would mean sacrificing modernasation, the tibetan people appear to be ready to riot for that freedom.
besides hasn't the Chinise government been demonising the Dali Lama. Saying how he has been behing these revolts. As well as bieing supported by the CIA?
I'm not saying China's government is evil. They have done wonders for their people, revolutionising their country. All for the better. Without it ,China may be in a worse off position.
and altough the Chinise government seem to slowly be growing to a more free state. For the Tibetan people it just dosn't seem to be coming fast enough.
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Post by PokeTrance on May 18, 2008 8:59:41 GMT 12
See? This proves that we are seeing a change in China's government, slowly but surely. Well, can't you see the issue of letting Tibet succede from China? It would be undermining China's ethnic diversity. Even the Dalai Lama says he does NOT want Tibet to become seperate from China. The reasoning is that it benefits Tibet to become industrialized, and to do that, it needs China. XAOTL made a very good point, and I like to give my opinion too. Although it is true we're seeing a change in government (attitude) of China, but it still is a Communist state. That in my opinion alone is a reason to support the Tibetans, that's a whole other discussion though. And this 'ethnic diversity' you speak of is not recognised by the Cinese government. They see every person within the boundaries of the PRC as a Chinese. This is the main reason why the Tibetan culture is nearly destroyed, but other ethnicities too. (mainly mongols in the Nort and North-west of china) (Another discussion worth its own thread is: 'is ethnic diversity good for a country?' ) As XAOTL already said, the Tibetan people want something different than the Dalai Lama. It's clear they want to be 'boss in their own home' and this is something we should support in my opinion. Do I need to refer to former President Wilson of the US, during the First World War? TOgheter with the European superpowers of that time he created the League of Nations, the precessor of the United Nations. (yes, the LoN was a failure, but nonetheless it's goals were noble and the basis on which the UN was built) [...] I'm not saying China's government is evil. They have done wonders for their people, revolutionising their country. All for the better. Without it ,China may be in a worse off position. and altough the Chinise government seem to slowly be growing to a more free state. For the Tibetan people it just dosn't seem to be coming fast enough.That is absolutely correct, and as I said earlier, I think we should support them in achieving that. Please read my comment above too.
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Post by Praetor on Aug 27, 2008 16:02:00 GMT 12
Now that the Olympics are over, and nothing disastrous or catastrophic has happened...
...I TOLD YOU SO. ;D
Your fears were really unfounded.
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