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Post by Vurtax on May 10, 2009 11:00:50 GMT 12
Yep, Obama's in office and he's trying to do everything except fix the economy, with a budget plan that will triple our national deficit before 2010 just by bailing out when most of the money he doesn't know where it goes *Cough*Nancy pelosi is a bitch*cough* and his little trick of calling the Swine flu a National crisis (When so far no ones died from it considering 300,000 people died from the common flu last winter) just so he can push national healthcare (which really has nothing to do with it) and going to Europe to solve nothing. Don't forget Guantanamo Bay, because you know we tortured Enemies of the World no we can't even make them feel uncomfortable because we have to set an example to the world and our example is=Being the World Largest pile of Pansy-ass-mother-fuckers Change+hope=Socialism Like I said I hope we're all happy
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Post by timoteyo7 on May 10, 2009 16:19:59 GMT 12
I loled @ the pics.
Anywho, If I recall one person so far has died from the Swine flu but you're right why worry about that when more people die from the regular flu? The real reason why everyone is so scared of this virus is because it's brand new. The world hasn't endured this virus before so barely anyone is immune to it. I guess that's why it's labeled as a "crisis".
and last time I checked, the economy was improving and showing progress according to the White House. How is Obama screwing up?
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Post by Praetor on May 10, 2009 21:22:35 GMT 12
I loled @ the pics. Anywho, If I recall one person so far has died from the Swine flu but you're right why worry about that when more people die from the regular flu? The real reason why everyone is so scared of this virus is because it's brand new. The world hasn't endured this virus before so barely anyone is immune to it. I guess that's why it's labeled as a "crisis".and last time I checked, the economy was improving and showing progress according to the White House. How is Obama screwing up? Exactly, there is no vaccine for the swine flu, but there is one for the regular flu; that's why there's a lot of fear of it.
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Post by cascade88 on May 11, 2009 0:27:16 GMT 12
I AM happy =D
Obama isn't magick, so no, he didn't cure America overnight. But he has taken steps to ensure that it does slowly but surely get better.
And he means that it's bad because we haven't dealt with it before, by using the term 'crisis'. It wasn't a trick. The fearmongering was done (as is always done) by the media.
Obama's doing an awesome job.
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Post by thedarkfiddler on May 11, 2009 3:04:25 GMT 12
People make mistakes. I can guarantee that if McCain had gotten into office, I could be making an near clone of this thread, with the names changed.
And the economy... you expect him to cure it instantly?
Think of the recession as a poison, and whatever Obama (or anybody who has to solve something similar, and even McCain if he had gotten in) is doing as the antidote. Do antidotes work instantly? Is everything better the moment an antidote is administered?
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Post by Vurtax on May 11, 2009 4:38:13 GMT 12
Obama has done NOTHING to help the economy, all the little sense of hope that is from the slight rise is from other sources. I did not expect Obama to cure the Economy instantly but I expected it to be his first matter of buisness, which it wasn't
The Stimulus bill only caused the economy to drop even more. There is no antidote you speak of fiddler, the only way to boost is the economy is taxcuts so people have money to spend. As of now they don't.
That little rise in the economy makes everyone go "OMG, OBAMA THANK YOU WEREZ SAFEZ." Which is there to distract everyone because by tommorow the economy (which has happened) will fall again by triple digits.
The Economy plummeting has only increased since Obama was in office. So no the economy is not on the slow rise back up.
And no Fiddler if McCain was in office the only thread you could make to complain about is the fact that he does not allow abortion. Taxcuts would've been in play and Taxcuts would've shot up the economy again.
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Post by cascade88 on May 11, 2009 5:06:25 GMT 12
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Post by XAOTL on May 11, 2009 5:24:48 GMT 12
I'm not American but I'd like to think that I have some grip on how global economics operate.
There is not much Obama can really do apart from push national debt up in order to increase government investment. This is a crisis bought on by consumer and business debt and whilst we are paying it back, consumer expendature will decrease, and the fact that it is approx two thirds of GDP means that it will be a big drop. There are only two things that can be done if we are too scared to spend because we bought things we could not afford in our wildest dreams. The only two things that can be done are tax cuts and increased government expendature seeing as the banks are also pissing themselves to allow much investment. Either way it is inevitable for national debt to rise.
Tax cuts would only be resulted in consumers saving their money in banks for the bad days ahead, so the only logical route to take is increased spending.
This recession will carry on and it will continue as it has always happened, and it wil most likely stop in two years. The only thing that can be done is to try and stop it from bieing too bad. If it is clear that the free market is still reeling from the financial crisis, the government is the only entity that can make a significant change, ergo Socialism. As long as he dosn't fly off the handle and bring in protectionist policies, or any of that cold war stuff we should be fine.
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Post by Vurtax on May 15, 2009 8:47:40 GMT 12
Tax cuts would only be resulted in consumers saving their money in banks for the bad days ahead, so the only logical route to take is increased spending. You offer a good point Xaotl Except for that which was quoted Because when the economy fell back when Jimmy Carter was in Office, Regan took over and made taxcuts like Crazy, when he did, the American Economy Tax Revenue DOUBLED!!! FRIGGIN DOUBLED!!!! The same thing is happening here, people may think we're learning from this recession, but I bet you the moment people (who have jobs) get there hands on some more of there own cash they'll be happy to spend, and with demand of products from people spending will cause need of more jobs. With More jobs means a bigger workforce who are buying houses, cars, etc. and paying the bills. Which will mean less idiots waiting for there check in the welfare house from working citizens (thinking they deserve it too) and more cash flowing in. And Cascade, Your comment just simply Fails...
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Post by cascade88 on May 15, 2009 10:42:05 GMT 12
And Cascade, Your comment just simply Fails... Really? Coincidence, your being a Republican simply fails.
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Post by narutoninja44 on May 15, 2009 11:33:44 GMT 12
-gets popcorn- This is fun to watch. =3 -throws popcorn at everyone-
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Post by Rishi on May 15, 2009 16:59:17 GMT 12
And Cascade, Your comment just simply Fails... Really? Coincidence, your being a Republican simply fails. F**kin' AMEN!!!!!
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Post by Midnightmoon602 on May 15, 2009 22:45:19 GMT 12
Obama and Kevin Rudd both have done nothing except make Australia go back into debt again. damn you Santa Kevin. lol.
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Post by XAOTL on May 16, 2009 7:54:06 GMT 12
Well it would work, a tax cut under normal curcumstances, it's just that the whole bank fiasco was very expensive for everyone. It didn't do much to help consumers confidence either. There are two types of recession, natural ones and the ones where there is a financial crisis tied to it. This crisis has got everyone thinking that there is no way out, and it will take a really big tax cut to get things stimulated once more, even then you have to aknowledge the global scale of this crisis, the reason that world leaders are all trying to co-ordinate a counter assault for this crisis. Quite simpily because the globalisation that gave way for economic growth leavs us all interconnected, as evident by how the banks collapsed. So any individual countries attempts will have to be matched and even Obama has not got that much influence.
a/n Midnight, we were all in debt, countries, companies, individuals (the reason we are where we are). We're at the point where a little bit more debt won't really matter.
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Post by Vurtax on May 17, 2009 5:53:00 GMT 12
And Cascade, Your comment just simply Fails... Really? Coincidence, your being a Republican simply fails. Cascade I was not attacking your decision to be a democrat and I think I deserve the same decency back. I'm not even republican I'm an independant thank you very much.
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