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Post by XAOTL on Apr 10, 2008 6:38:23 GMT 12
The economy is coming back, if people would stop buying houses they can't afford and then go into foreclosure, or people would stop placing themselves in debt, then our economy would be coming back all the faster. But the american debt is receeding, slowly, but in a few years, the american debt will be gone. Once more, the Balance of Payments is in a huge Deficit, and continues to be, and if that isn't turned around then things will be screwed undoubtedly. and with housing, it dosn't matter if an entire country would stop, confidence is out of the window, and even tough that is a drastic measure (changing the attitude of all buyers) all of the previous transactions would have a lasting multiplyer effect on the market as a whole. The rolercoaster has started, Recession is on the way for everyone (apart for maybe China/India), and with the threats of Inflation it is difficult for any form of a base rate to be set by the U.S. national bank. So things are continuing on the way that they are. That's cause he's Globally unpopular, a figure of general hate. Blare ahs already been kicked out No. 10 after a decade as PM, and a good job he's done for the country, all because of the war, and soon Gordon Brown is gonna follow with his unpopularity. Bush is bound to follow the trend with the pressure. Ask just about anyone in the outside world. The only two that are heard of are Obama and Hilary Clinton. No one knows of the other guy (not even me) and out of the two Obama is Kewl. and yes I've seen the funny vid at the bottom. I ask, what is the difference beetween Democrat and Republican? I've asked a couple of people, and they have no clue, they just want Obama to win. |
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Post by narutoninja44 on Apr 10, 2008 8:32:14 GMT 12
I ask, what is the difference beetween Democrat and Republican? I've asked a couple of people, and they have no clue, they just want Obama to win. According to my dad, he said the simplest way to tell is that Democrats want the government to control the economy and stuff more. And the Republican's want the government to control that stuff less. And third party's are just basically either democrat or republican in terms of veiw so they don't really matter.=P |
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Post by Vurtax on Apr 10, 2008 9:45:41 GMT 12
McCain's gonna win, he has the republicans, independants, and the hillary supporters said that if Obama's the candidate for the democrats, they're voting for McCain.
5/6 of the party population vs. 1/6.
OBAMA IS NOT cool just because he's black. He's just like every other liberal like john kerry, he wants the same things as every other strong liberal wants. And they want the same things that are harming your european countries (Like National healthcare) just thinking about that scares me....
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Post by JbstormburstADV on Apr 10, 2008 10:16:18 GMT 12
You do realize that the problem with your theory is that Europe initiated national healthcare at the wrong time. They did this back when the EU was small, and because of EU's policy of taking in countries to strengthen economies, they didn't have enough money to back it up. And the same is true for almost every single other country that did that. However, there is an exception with the U.S.
Even though our economy is currently weak, costs of most goods and services are still cheaper here than in other countries (which explains the large Europeon rush into NYC during Christmas season) and we have more than enough doctors. Also, some people are worried that each doctor will not receive competent pay. BS! If they apply the system they want to use for teacher's pay to this issue, it could work.
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Post by XAOTL on Apr 11, 2008 4:14:08 GMT 12
What's so bad about national Health care?
It's brilliant.
It just goes to show how the country cares more for the welfare of their people than their own pockets, and private helicopters.
If anything I can't imagine a country without the National healthcare. A country where the doctors are always there for you, and if anything serious happens you can count upon the hospital to do something rather than having to tell them your insurance details while you're bleeding out of your side, and have several fractured ribs from a car crash.
Besides the EU has national healthcare... and is still the worlds largest Economy, whilst allowing individual freedoms for each individual country.
and I never took my choice because of his skin coulour. Obama is the only one who really speaks his mind, speaks the truth, and shows his support for the people. He is the one who is constantly out there. Hilary is always the one who is just underneath him, and everybody else is cast into shadow.
Obama is the one who stood up, and attempted to break the standard mold for U.S. presidents in a line of work where many eyes would have doubted him.
IDK who the U.S. people want to vote for. But just about everywhere else many eyes are upon Obama. No other candidate is heard of, at all.
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Post by cascade88 on Apr 11, 2008 5:09:07 GMT 12
What's so bad about national Health care? It's brilliant. It just goes to show how the country cares more for the welfare of their people than their own pockets, and private helicopters. If anything I can't imagine a country without the National healthcare. A country where the doctors are always there for you, and if anything serious happens you can count upon the hospital to do something rather than having to tell them your insurance details while you're bleeding out of your side, and have several fractured ribs from a car crash. Besides the EU has national healthcare... and is still the worlds largest Economy, whilst allowing individual freedoms for each individual country. and I never took my choice because of his skin coulour. Obama is the only one who really speaks his mind, speaks the truth, and shows his support for the people. He is the one who is constantly out there. Hilary is always the one who is just underneath him, and everybody else is cast into shadow. Obama is the one who stood up, and attempted to break the standard mold for U.S. presidents in a line of work where many eyes would have doubted him. IDK who the U.S. people want to vote for. But just about everywhere else many eyes are upon Obama. No other candidate is heard of, at all. I'm sorry to disagree, but national healthcare is really not a good idea at all. Yes, you don't have to worry about telling the doctor's your insurance policy number, but you'll end up bleeding to death anyway, because of the ridicoulously long lines and waiting lists. People die all the time in those countires just waiting to get a CAT-scan or a blood test. It's completey ridiculous. On the other hand, I have to say that I'm an Obama supporter, as well. Like you said, he speaks his mind and isn't afraid to do so. When it comes to him and Hillary, he is clearly the better choice. |
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Post by XAOTL on Apr 11, 2008 7:21:21 GMT 12
I'm sorry to disagree, but national healthcare is really not a good idea at all. Yes, you don't have to worry about telling the doctor's your insurance policy number, but you'll end up bleeding to death anyway, because of the ridicoulously long lines and waiting lists. I can see your point, but I don't honestly find any actual problems with the NHS, if the problems are those that you have stated just get a private sector company to cover you like you would do normally in the U.S. That and with said Global recession. Less people would be able to pay for said insurance, focusing upon their actual savings whilst in said countries many would still need not worry. Which option is better then? I've never really thought about our healthcare... until now. Even when I watched the Simpsons or other shows and they talk about healthcare, it just seemed to be completely pointless until I learnt that it was an actual privaledge. in our economies in comparison to (some)other First world countries. Ironically People in the U.S. pay the most for National healthcare (globally) and yet Britain ranks above the U.S. where there is National Healthcare. In addition to Canada, Australia, France, Germany, e.c.t I don't honestly see any disadvantage of NHS in a world where each house has two cars, two holiday homes, three T.V.'s and a bank account. If anything what bad would it do to have a little extra taxes if it provides safety of mind and body for all. I'm intruigued, could anyone list any more disadvantages. I've never honestly thought about this before. How is it harming our country? SInce when? The only thing that's harming us it the War in Iraq, Terrorists, andCAP But in that sense I guess I'm a bit Democratic ~ Maybe, I think. Meh |
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Post by Vurtax on Apr 11, 2008 9:19:50 GMT 12
Because National healthcare dishes our the taxpayers money to those who don't have to pay taxes because their in some welfare building.
Welfare in America has become ridiculous, people will justs tay on it and their children will learn from it an apply for welfare. I know about the waiting lists, people in france have to wait so long for a dental appointment that they pull the teeth out themselves.
German doctors protest in the streets every day
A case in your own country Xaotl where a lady who was on a certain medication to keep her alive. And then this National healthcare decided they were gonna stop funding her medication. Pulled her off the treatnment and let her sit in the corner and die.
Why do rich people from all around the world come to america for Treatment? Because they would have to wait for months back in their country.
America would not be any better, we still have too many poor people in our country that are more than happy to dig into someone else's pocket for theirselves. If we had so many doctors then why are their wages so high? Usually (sarcastically) the more a job is needed but the less of people who have it, are paid more. The Democratic party wants to raise taxes so high that your parents would have to sell the house, move to a much smaller one or an apartment, and probably never be able to buy anything extra again. Because the higher the taxes, the more money people will draw back in savings knowing they'll need it later.
That's why the economy was flourishing under Regan, he lowered taxes where america's tax revenue in fact doubled! Because people had more money to spend, they spent it! and the money made off the products meant more sales tax. More sales tax means more tax revenue. More tax revenue means surplus. And the need for more jobs so they can make these products that people want to spend their money on means more JOBS!
Raising taxes is not the way to go, Raising taxes only damages the economy like i said earlier.
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Post by cascade88 on Apr 11, 2008 18:43:36 GMT 12
Because National healthcare dishes our the taxpayers money to those who don't have to pay taxes because their in some welfare building. Welfare in America has become ridiculous, people will justs tay on it and their children will learn from it an apply for welfare. I know about the waiting lists, people in france have to wait so long for a dental appointment that they pull the teeth out themselves. German doctors protest in the streets every day A case in your own country Xaotl where a lady who was on a certain medication to keep her alive. And then this National healthcare decided they were gonna stop funding her medication. Pulled her off the treatnment and let her sit in the corner and die. Why do rich people from all around the world come to america for Treatment? Because they would have to wait for months back in their country. America would not be any better, we still have too many poor people in our country that are more than happy to dig into someone else's pocket for theirselves. If we had so many doctors then why are their wages so high? Usually (sarcastically) the more a job is needed but the less of people who have it, are paid more. The Democratic party wants to raise taxes so high that your parents would have to sell the house, move to a much smaller one or an apartment, and probably never be able to buy anything extra again. Because the higher the taxes, the more money people will draw back in savings knowing they'll need it later. That's why the economy was flourishing under Regan, he lowered taxes where america's tax revenue in fact doubled! Because people had more money to spend, they spent it! and the money made off the products meant more sales tax. More sales tax means more tax revenue. More tax revenue means surplus. And the need for more jobs so they can make these products that people want to spend their money on means more JOBS! Raising taxes is not the way to go, Raising taxes only damages the economy like i said earlier. While you make some compelling points, I would just like to point out a couple of things (and I hope I'm not straying too far off-topic with this, but) not everyone is on welfare because they think it's fun to be. I mean, yes, many people abuse the system repeatedly, but that doesn't mean that you should make a crass generalization about poor Americans. Secondly, the ecomony wasn't doing all that badly under the Clinton administration either, and Bill isn't a Republican. |
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Post by LuciferIX on Apr 11, 2008 18:56:42 GMT 12
I'm not really sure why so many people are so afraid of the taxes being raised. The problem with the idea that lowering them is that there isn't a guarantee that people will actually spend the extra money. Nowadays people want to save money as well. Raising taxes a bit would help pay for quite a bit of the debt that we have built up and allow for more spending on public services. Besides the tax brackets need to be adjusted anyways.
Actually the best thing would be to go through the entire budget and work on making sure that all the money is actually going to where its supposed to be going and that its being used well. There have been instances in the Navy where they have thrown new equipment off the decks of the ships just so that their funding wouldn't be cut.
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Post by Vurtax on Apr 11, 2008 21:43:31 GMT 12
Did you not just read what i said about raising taxes?
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Post by XAOTL on Apr 20, 2008 4:40:32 GMT 12
I don't see what you're so worried about?
Apart form bad treatment in hospitals, and Taxes.
Taxes:
Credit Crunch, will do a world of good by lowering the idiotic over load on consumer spending thats going on, helping the country.
Taxes may be raised but remember what you're talking about here. Health care is not reserved for those who are only rich enough to pay for it, it is for all.
True.
But what about the people in the U.S.?
If I remember there are... ohhh... about 50 MILLION People who can NOT afford Health care. If I remember correctly there was a show... American idol, the Charity one. Where There was all of these appeals for third world countries, and next to it Health care in America.
European health care isn't perfect, I don't expect it to be. But it's better to let one person go than ignore 50 million. and let said 50mill be charity cases.
It's better to keep Doctors on a good pay than to pay them too much, leaving less money in the pockets of others.
In addition it's better to help all people than to help those who are rich and Privileged enough to afford it.
American health care is in the private sector so peoples cases aren't normally put out onto the street. It's a business, and cases are settled in private, and in court. National health care HAS to give all of its info away. So all of these cases. It's not like they don't happen in the U.S. They could just keep quiet about it. in the E.U. they have to tell everybody, it's on a big website.
Then how is it that in the E.U. they don't?
It's quite simple really. Your doctors get paid the most. In turn you pay them (biggest spenders in the world on health care in fact) Yet we pay taxes, and don't pay as much as you do. Apartment I'm not so sure. If anything the Mortgage is more to worry about.
You said spend more money. Isn't the governments of many countries, and I believe the U.S. is included. Aren't they trying to STOP consumer spending?
After all more consumer spending = more money for Japan, and China. and a bigger trade deficit.
It's not as bad as you make it out to be. People in the E.U. aren't running around in slums, because of the extra taxes. Still the biggest Economy, so if it would bring hell, don't ya think we would try to stop it?
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Post by Vurtax on Apr 20, 2008 12:05:48 GMT 12
There is a plan existing in america to help the poor out in Helathcare, it's the middle class who are like the lost children as we're paying for the poor peoples stuff like foodstamps and what not.
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Post by quattro on May 2, 2008 1:55:10 GMT 12
I'm a libertarian, however I tend to side with the Republican party on most things. Reagan may be my favorite president, and if it wasn't for the gross transformation of the Democratic party in the Viet Nam era I'd probably side with them. On a side note, before you go about thinking I'm some America worshiping hick, know that I'm a dual citizen and I travel the world often. And I honestly don't see why people out here in Cali praise Europe (Italy, my "other country", is a part of Europe -.-) when they have everything they could ever want out here. What your dad is referring to is our first basic political parties: the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists. The Federalists wanted a larger, more powerful government that unified everything under one law, versus the Anti-Federalists, who believed that the states should make their own laws that applied to them. The Republicans are the spawn of the Anti-Federalists and the Democrats are the spawn of the Federalists. What's so bad about national Health care? It's brilliant. It just goes to show how the country cares more for the welfare of their people than their own pockets, and private helicopters. You know, we aren't the ShinRa, Xatol. A friend of mine lives in Santa Monica, where they have the most bogus apartment laws. Basically, if you make more than x dollars you have to pay extra for the people who make less than x amount of dollars. However, nobody who's under the x standard is really poor, they're all just Russians who have wealthy family that give them money so they don't have to work. Hence, they get off easy with all sorts of luxuries while everyday people have to pay extra to give them filet mingions and fancy champagne. |
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