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Post by Wolfofdoom on Feb 12, 2008 15:45:52 GMT 12
There is a bit of a struggle going trying to blame one of the paries for 9/11. Who do you think is responsible. Personally I think Bill Clinton's cuts to our security budget during his term didn't help make us any safer.
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Post by LuciferIX on Feb 12, 2008 16:02:57 GMT 12
It really doesn't matter whose fault it is, whats done is done. But either way, the US was in a state of relaxation and we never really would have expected it in the first place. Then again the government is hiding enough from us that we will never know the full truth.
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Post by Wolfofdoom on Feb 12, 2008 16:06:12 GMT 12
I know but hey I'm tired of people saying us republicans are to blame
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Post by LuciferIX on Feb 12, 2008 16:20:13 GMT 12
Well I won't sing any praises at the way Bush handled it afterwards though. He used it to get into Iraq, although I have no real complaints about Afghanistan.
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Post by JbstormburstADV on Feb 13, 2008 9:31:57 GMT 12
Well, I'm a liberal, which makes me almost automatically a Democrat (I can't vote yet, though), and the Republicans are bad because they literally ruined the economy (Clinton's term actually was very economically stable, because the market boomed in the 90's) and they don't like universal health plans (the only thing barring most Americans from good medical coverage is the price of health insurance here). Those two key issues are what the Republicans will lose the '08 election for.
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Post by Wolfofdoom on Feb 13, 2008 12:36:43 GMT 12
Still Your [poster boy Bill cutting denfense and military budgets during his term did help open the door for 9/11. I mean come happy birthday Wolf Alquai is attacking the US.
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Post by LuciferIX on Feb 13, 2008 12:50:22 GMT 12
When you look at the times though, war and terrorism weren't really headline news. The nineties were prosperous because of the lack of war and fear. So the natural affects of supply and demand as well as opportunity cost come into the fold.
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Post by Wolfofdoom on Feb 13, 2008 13:17:28 GMT 12
Yeah still if you think about it we let ourselves get soft. Because of that I'm supposed to believe that my party is too blame Yeah Bush isn't that smart but he meant well.
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Post by LuciferIX on Feb 13, 2008 13:54:04 GMT 12
I'm not blaming the republican party for anything. I'm just blaming Bush and Chaney for some of the recent events (post 9/11).
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Post by thedarkfiddler on Feb 13, 2008 14:02:20 GMT 12
I agree, its not so much the Republicans, but Bush. He supposedly knew it was going to happen and did nothing. ANd he got us into Iraq because, wait, why are we in Iraq?
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Post by Wolfofdoom on Feb 14, 2008 3:43:50 GMT 12
We went into Iraq because he got a faulty intelligence report claiming that they were seeking to make nuclear weapons and that they were going to aid Alqaida. Now by the time it was revealed that the guy who gave the report screwed up we were already there for 2 years. Also Tel TDF what proof is there that Bush knew we would be attacked? Also don't use any movies by Michael Moore as he was demanding Bush be impeached the second he won the election.
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Post by LuciferIX on Feb 14, 2008 6:09:53 GMT 12
Well I for one don't think that there was conclusive evidence that 9-11 would happen. Our intelligence agency probably had hints or clues to it, but nothing to evacuate both towers for. So adding the intelligence agencies into the discussion of who went wrong isn't a bad move. Yeah still if you think about it we let ourselves get soft. Because of that I'm supposed to believe that my party is too blame. And yes we let ourselves get soft in the time of peace because of the economic expansion. It was the entire country's fault that the defense got weaker not just Clinton.
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Post by Wolfofdoom on Feb 14, 2008 7:53:34 GMT 12
I'm not trying to just blame Clinton. What I'm stating is that he sort of opened the door. Also as a republican my party is constantly being blamed for those attacks. So yes I'm gonna attack the moves Clinton made to open the back door. Everyone seems to forget that the entire country not just Republicans are to blame.
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Post by JbstormburstADV on Feb 14, 2008 12:42:11 GMT 12
But the Republicans have been running the show for the last 6 years (mostly Conservatives.... brrrr.... and don't forget that the Democrats didn't have a majority in either the House or Senate for his term up to recently).
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Post by LuciferIX on Feb 14, 2008 12:47:28 GMT 12
I find it funny that at the moment, we three are basically the only ones debating on this thread. We had a republican, a liberal, and more of a mid-line case. Technically it makes for the perfect combination.
And wolf like I said, the opportunity cost of what was going on in the nineties basically made it so that the military budget was cut. Even if there was a republican in office, in watching that amount of economic prosperity anyone would have naturally moved funding away from the unused to the more usable.
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