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Post by XAOTL on Mar 17, 2008 2:08:58 GMT 12
Well, here's where we can debate Advanceshipping hints, for the pure pourpose of strenghthening them. But with this bieing an Advanceshipping site we'll need someone to act as an antagonist, but don't worry you won't be blamed for blastphomy or something crazy like that.
So lets start...
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Post by dryuu01 on Mar 17, 2008 2:36:42 GMT 12
I'm not sure if I can make it as a so-called "antagonist". But, I do think I have experience in criticizing certain hints by looking at them from another point of view. First Hint Discussion:You forgot something from that scene. When Ash and May are talking(plus smiling) at each other when discussing their plans, Delia looked over at them, and blushed, seeing how close the two are. ^Yeah, you guys missed that one in the heat of the debate. That's something to start with, right? Or are you going to ignore all my opinions again? |
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Post by LuciferIX on Mar 17, 2008 8:29:42 GMT 12
I didn't miss it, just that there was something a little bigger going on at the time.
Well this won't be an easy thread for many of us, as I think I said elsewhere.
At the moment my mind is blank, that combines with the fact that I still need to read the newest chapter of "Spin" is keeping me from anything really worthwhile. I'll have to come back to this later.
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Post by Praetor on Mar 17, 2008 17:36:53 GMT 12
Don't worry, Dryuu, LuciferIX explained why it wasn't mentioned much. We won't ignore you.
The hint could be dismissed by the fact that Delia was blushing at how many friends Ash has made; which shows how mature Ash has become.
His adventurous behavior also shows his maturity by displaying his love of exploration; which causes his mother to blush because she is so proud of him.
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Post by XAOTL on Mar 18, 2008 9:17:56 GMT 12
Don't worry, Dryuu, LuciferIX explained why it wasn't mentioned much. We won't ignore you. The hint could be dismissed by the fact that Delia was blushing at how many friends Ash has made; which shows how mature Ash has become. His adventurous behavior also shows his maturity by displaying his love of exploration; which causes his mother to blush because she is so proud of him. Well freindship alone is not really a reason for a blush, Delia has known about May, and all of Ash's other freinds for a while. The only thing that she could be blushing about is how 'dedicated' May is as a freind,as she said 'Ash has made such great freinds' which is coincidental bieing that it was straight after May undoubtedly decided to stay together with Ash. In addition Delia bieing his mother must have picked up once or twice about how thick headed Ash is about the <3 subject. Maturity from his level concerning that subject from her point of view would most likely cause a blush, which she hasn't really done much off, and only something close, like her son maturing which she has noticed with him becoming eager to travel to new regions. One of those methods of maturing, is him becoming more aware about romance, which she may have picked up upon, especially considering the additional fact that they were about inches away from each other, and if someone slapped Ash on the back of the head, they would have kissed. Did I Over do it? Altough that was refreshing to do, anyone else going to dismiss a hint? Please |
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Post by Praetor on Mar 18, 2008 13:20:00 GMT 12
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Dark Fiddler, you're a multishipper right?, then help me out with this one.
Ash has not become very romantic, he may have matured just A LITTLE BIT, but not enough to notice the hints that girls would drop for him.
There is doubt that Ash being thick - headed would cause Delia to blush. If Ash and May didn't notice how close they are to each other, then why would Delia be embarrassed or worried?
As you have mentioned before, it could be Ash's excitement to travel that caused Delia to blush.
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Post by LuciferIX on Mar 18, 2008 14:24:38 GMT 12
But then again what would she blush over the excitement of him traveling again? She would rather have him stay at home for a while longer instead of going off yet again.
The only thing that I could think if for her blushing over him traveling is that it reminded her of something else and that caused her to blush. One thing that comes to mind may have been an association with Ash's dad and the desire to travel.
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Post by Praetor on Mar 18, 2008 18:07:25 GMT 12
I can see a weakness with your arguments already; you guys are stating points that contradict your arguments.
1. Well, Delia could be blushing at the fact that Ash IS MATURE BECAUSE HE IS TRAVELING; not because Ash is ready to go to a new region again.
2. As you have said, the blushing could be because Ash's desire to travel reminds Delia of her husband or Ash's father.
It is not easy being an antagonist here, mainly, because there are good points for you guys, but difficult points for me to counter.
Remember that anyone can play as an antagonist; if you see a weak point in the hints, then please point it out.
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Post by LuciferIX on Mar 18, 2008 19:04:50 GMT 12
Well its even harder because virtually every part of my mind is telling me that she is blushing because they are so close. The only reason I got that last one was because of XAOL.
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Post by Praetor on Mar 18, 2008 19:10:01 GMT 12
It's a bit unclear what you're talking about, LuciferIX.
Is it difficult for you to point out weak spots in the hints, or counter my points?
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Post by LuciferIX on Mar 18, 2008 19:17:53 GMT 12
A little of both actually. I've never been very good at debating a topic that I don't agree on.
To get better at it I would need to research the opposition's POV and start to take on their own view point. I guess I could get better for the ones here by going to Contestshipping boards and see what they say, but I'd rather not have to go to those lengths.
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Post by Praetor on Mar 18, 2008 19:23:17 GMT 12
Multishippers have an easier time visiting opposing ship's forums, so we can ask some of our multishippers to help us out.
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Post by XAOTL on Mar 19, 2008 8:08:12 GMT 12
I can see a weakness with your arguments already; you guys are stating points that contradict your arguments. 1. Well, Delia could be blushing at the fact that Ash IS MATURE BECAUSE HE IS TRAVELING; not because Ash is ready to go to a new region again. That would be the most unlikely thing for someone to blush about, a warm fuzzy feeling maybe, but a blush would be too far. Well, she could relate Ash to having a simalar personality to her husband, travelling. Then what's May? May could be a representation of Delia herself, Delia may be tieing some strings in her mind, and making links with past and present. with the attitude of the two reminding her of how she and her husband (whoever he is) used to act with each other. I'm seeing how you are in a really wierd position here. |
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Post by Praetor on Mar 31, 2008 17:44:08 GMT 12
Have you ever received a gift from an ordinary friend, and felt embarrassed or even blushed about it?
Think of Delia and Ash the same way. Delia had a VERY warm, embarrassed or fuzzy feeling.
Delia may not even be thinking of May at all.
She may just be relating Ash to his father, who may love traveling.
I am, the multishippers could help me out.
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Post by XAOTL on Apr 1, 2008 8:47:42 GMT 12
Have you ever received a gift from an ordinary friend, and felt embarrassed or even blushed about it? No. Not really, A don't really know anyone who has. It's hard not to, he's sitting right next to her son, and the're looking right at each other, as well as the fact that they're only inches apart. |
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